[amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers
- From: "Rod or Sharon" <springer37@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:57:04 -0600
Bob,
Someting Sharon left out is the Organ DB X K5 series of needles, of which
the 75/11, either ball point or sharp is used by Melco to test run the
Amayas, has a larger eye.
This equates to less friction and smoother running of the thread through the
needle at the higher speeds the Amaya can run. Also the scharf on the back
side of the needle has a slightly different cut or shape to it and that may
affect the hook timing when using other types/brands/styles of other
needles.
Organ 75/11 is the standard to operate the Amayas with at this time.
Rod Springer
Rod & Sharon Springer
Embroidery Cottage
Melco Amaya Technician & Trainers
Design Shop Pro+ & Digitizing
Boise, ID 83713
208-938-3038
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From: "Kushnerick" <bkushner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers
> Rod
>
> Certainly not wishy - washy at all and no arguments from me on anything
> you said.
>
> For many of us, caps [along with other things like very light nylon or
> knits, leather, silk, etc.] certainly do offer challenges. I think we
> all have learned new words of one sort or another when stitching these
> items.
>
> There are always many variables in embroidery plus I know different
> brands, models and even individual machines can stitch differently but
> as someone who does not have an Amaya, I was just wondering what
> constitutes a good Amaya design as compared to the same design for a
> SWF, Tajima or Barudan ? If it is something like removal of unnecessary
> short stitches [perhaps less than 1mm - 1.5mm], to me that should be
> done in all designs for all machines. If its a matter of a good Amaya
> design trying to avoid long column stitching [for example 12mm], then
> again I think all brands of machines would benefit from shorter column
> stitching.
>
> Just out of curiosity, is there a needle[s] which is favored by the
> Amaya. Over the years we have tried a number of different types, points
> and brands of needles but in the end, found a single needle that we now
> use for virtually all our stitching. Seldom do we have a need to change
> to a different needle type or size anymore.
>
> Have a great day
>
> Bob
>
>
> .
>
> Rod or Sharon wrote:
>
>>John, Bob,
>>My personal opinion on "Amaya specific" digitizing....... I do believe
>>that
>>the digitizer who "owns an Amaya, and who verifies the digitized designs
>>on
>>the Amaya is a definite plus for the customer. That is not to say that
>>there
>>are not some really good digitizers out there that are savy to the
>>different
>>quirks of the different embroidery machines on the market.
>>
>>It is very difficult to digitize for caps with some designs....How do you
>>as
>>the digitizer quote a fair price and not verify a complex design on a cap
>>or
>>two or three. Do we throw in the cost of these caps on the digitizing
>>cost,
>>thereby raising the price of the digitized design? Do we come up with a
>>make
>>shift, make believe cap to put on the cap driver to verify the
>>design......?
>>It is a time consuming affair at best and usually not very profitable,
>>taking into consideration the time factor. Those people that choose to sub
>>out their digitizing are not completely dumb. Sure, the simple, easy to
>>put
>>together logo or name, etc.......those are things that you can take care
>>of
>>yourself, but throw in a complicated, complex design and it very quickly
>>gets to the point of ridiculous with the time factor.
>>
>>Digitizing for flats is always a challenge by it's self and then CAPS!!! I
>>have found I can now do pretty fair at digitizing most designs for a cap
>>but still struggle with oval and/or circular borders pulling, stretching,
>>distorting and God only knows what else. Each brand and style of cap can
>>exhibit a different characteristic with the same design, making it
>>necessary
>>to then, "edit" the design slightly.
>>
>>Using good underlay techniques is critical to getting some caps to sew out
>>well. Nailing down the center seam on a cap by adding a manual double
>>zigzag across the seam and/or filling the seam line with vertical
>>stitching
>>and then using a wider manual cross hatch underlay over the rest of the
>>design, will help tack the cap down and not allow for the cap to move or
>>shift or whatever it does to mess up the sew out. Oh, and then given a
>>perfectly digitized design......nothing can correct for an improperly
>>hooped
>>cap. If it is loose and floppy, ,,,,, well, kind of like the old computer
>>programmer saying,,,,,,,,,,garbage in, garbage out!!!
>>
>>Now having said all that, does the Amaya need to be digitized for
>>specifically? I would say there are some "ifs" involved in that question.
>>The biggest "if" is the speed at which you want to operate at. The faster
>>the speed, the more the different materials are going to "pull/push." So
>>digitizing and being able to verify at high speed is a plus. The fact
>>that
>>the Amaya is more precise in its needle placement will create narrower
>>columns making it necessary for the operator to add some extra pull comp
>>in
>>these areas......
>>
>>The technology introduced into the Amaya software and the design of the
>>machine has just made it necessary for the operator to "learn" new ways to
>>embroidery. The Amaya/Design Shop software has given the operator
>>tremendous
>>flexibility ,but, only "if" ( there is that "if" word again), they are
>>open
>>and willing to take on this new learning curve.
>>
>>I would hesitate going so far as to say that the Amaya "must" be digitized
>>for specifically. If this were the case, you would not be able to sew out
>>any of the pre-digitized designs from , Dakota, Great Notions, Embroidery
>>Library, etc......with success. Will editing these designs by reducing the
>>stitch counts, tweaking the densities, stitch lengths, etc, help them to
>>sew
>>better on the Amaya...you bet. But even a good digitizer will send
>>someone
>>a design that has been digitized on his Amaya, will need some minor
>>tweaking
>>on the customers machine. The differences in machines, the different
>>materials, backings, hooping techniques, needles, threads...the list goes
>>on.......it just means that the digitizer hopes to get it "right" as close
>>as they can.....regardless of the machine used.
>>
>>Was that ...wishy---washy enough for a long winded answer ;-)).
>>
>>Rod Springer
>>Melco Certified Tech
>>
>>
>
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