This message was posted by TinaK on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/221.html#000012 Ok, here is the update on what was happening as I figured it out after Marilou sent me the same words done in DS. It turns out the trims were messing the back up. I had the trim settings set on 3 and it was trimming quite a bit so I turned the trim off and no tangled mess in the back problem solved! Yeah! A huge thanks to Marilou for helping me really take a look at this from a different angle then the normal thread, bobbin and stabilizer approach. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================