[adsi] Re: [them] Arctic ice cap oscillations have happened before

  • From: "Ken Schmahl, P.E." <kschmahl@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: adsi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:58:58 -0800

JPL link:
Yep, saw that.  Thanks.  makes our job easier.


On 11/16/07, Ken Schmahl, P.E. <kschmahl@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately Belinda puts Fox news on the TV, sometimes to find out what
> they're saying, sometimes just as background noise.  Unfortunately, with my
> ADD, I cannot ignore the screen.  I see far more of Fox than I want to.
>
> I am *SOOO* glad I bought a two-story house.
>
>
>  On 11/16/07, Milton Scritsmier <Milton_Scritsmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > How often do you actually watch Fox News? Or did before you gave up on
> > them?
> >
> > But that's why I included the JPL link since I figured you wouldn't give
> >
> > Fox any credibility. :-)
> >
> > Ken Schmahl, P.E. wrote:
> > > Fox news!  Well, I won't have to read the article then to believe 'em.
> > >
> > > Sorry, but Fox has lost its credibility.  I'll have to go back to the
> > > original studies to get the truth on this.
> > >
> > > To be clear, I'm bitter about Fox News, and not you Milt.
> > > ks
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/16/07, *Milton Scritsmier* < Milton_Scritsmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > <mailto:Milton_Scritsmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Once again, scientific results are coming in showing that the
> > >     interaction between the climate and mankind is not nearly so
> > >     simple as "An Inconvenient Truth" would have us believe. This
> > >     time it has to do with the shrinking of the arctic ice cap over
> > >     the last few decades (and by the way, how often do you hear
> > >     that the antarctic ice cap is now at a maximum?). According to
> > >     two independent scientific studies, it appears that the arctic
> > >     ice cap has gone through rapid periods of shrinking and
> > >     expanding over at least the last few hundred years, well before
> > >     mankind had any real effect on the climate.
> > >
> > >     For a quick overview of the first study, here is what Fox News
> > >     Channel's "Grapevine" on "Special Report with Brit Hume" had to
> > >     say:
> > >
> > >     ===
> > >
> > >     What NASA Says Is Really Happening to the Arctic Ice Cap
> > >
> > >     Friday, November 16, 2007
> > >
> > >     By Brit Hume
> > >     Fox News Channel
> > >
> > >     Perfectly Natural
> > >
> > >     Many global warming activists point to changes in the arctic
> > >     icecap as proof of the dangerous effects of man-made global
> > >     warming. Now a report from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> > >     says those changes are in fact the result of natural ocean
> > >     circulation patterns. A team of scientists used satellite and
> > >     deep-sea pressure gauge data to monitor ocean patterns.
> > >
> > >     Says team leader James Morison of the University of
> > >     Washington's Polar Science Center — "Our study confirms many
> > >     changes seen in upper Arctic Ocean circulation in the 1990s
> > >     were mostly decadal in nature, rather than trends caused by
> > >     global warming."
> > >
> > >     ===
> > >
> > >     The "Grapevine" report does leave out that Dr. Morison believes
> > >     that mankind-induced global warming is accelerating the
> > >     oscillations in the arctic ice cap. The JPL news release on Dr.
> > >     Morison's findings is at
> > >
> > >     http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-131
> > >
> > >     Significantly, another independent study also shows that the
> > >     arctic ice cap has gone through rapid oscillations. Dr. Simon
> > >     Belt and his team from the University of Plymouth in England
> > >     looked for a particular lipid produced by an algae that can
> > >     only live in sea ice. As this lipid is produced, it drifts down
> > >     to the ocean bottom and becomes embedded in the sediment. As
> > >     the sediment builds up over time, the amount of this lipid in
> > >     each layer of the sediment gives an indication of the amount of
> > >     algae at that time, and hence the amount of sea ice. By
> > >     collecting various "sediment cores" and measuring the lipid,
> > >     Dr. Belt and his team have found that the arctic ice cap has
> > >     varied greatly in the last several hundred years. Dr. Belt
> > >     believes that mankind's recent changes to the environment may
> > >     be making it harder for arctic ice to recover from its latest
> > >     retreat. But he also notes that "Significantly, periods of sea
> > >     ice cover frequently coincide with dramatic changes to human
> > >     populations due to famines and illnesses." In other words,
> > >     whether or not mankind is changing the climate, the climate
> > >     still has had a powerful effect on mankind.
> > >
> > >     A good article about Dr. Belt's research can be found at
> > >
> > >     http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7044808.stm
> > >
> > >     If you get HDNet on satellite or cable, check out this week's
> > >     "Dan Rather Reports" entitled "A Crack in the Ice". There's an
> > >     interview with Dr. Belt on the research vessel where he did his
> > >     study discussing his results and showing his team collecting
> > >     and analyzing sediment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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