[accessibleimage] Re: proposes solutions to us currency access problem

those are good points, Lori.  It seems like this problem is not so simple...

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Lori <twilight2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  It would seem that random placement would cut down on efficiency on
> identification. I've also read somewhere that the tactile markings on some
> bills wear down, so I hope good research is done across the board.
>
> L...
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Steven Landau <sl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:29 AM
> *Subject:* [accessibleimage] Re: proposes solutions to us currency access
> problem
>
> sylvie, thanks very much for your excellent short summary of the issue of
> access to currency in the US. I don't know much about the technical problems
> what could result from even doing something so seemingly simple as adding
> tactile markings to bills. I imagine that some machines, like the ones they
> use to count money, could have a problem with any marking that changes the
> thickness of the bills, especially if that mark occurs in the same place on
> all bills.  I know from our work in manufacturing tactile pictures, that
> when you have a large stack of tactile sheets that all have the same
> markings, that the stack gets higher in the place where the marks occur.
> This could cause jams, etc. Maybe the mark would have to happen in a random
> place, so that a pile of money would stay more or less flat; I wonder what a
> randomly-placed mark, however, would do to either make it easier or harder
> to detect counterfeits....
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Lisa Yayla <lisa.yayla@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  Sylvia,
>> The solutions you wrote about sound very good.
>> I was thinking there might be also a transition stage - the time when old
>> bills are still around before going over to accessible bills and
>> that there might be a way to make old bills accessible before they are
>> taken out of circulation.
>> What if banks had embossing equipment so when ever an "old" bill comes in
>> it is run through an embosser and a embossed mark
>> is placed on it?
>> Best,
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>> *accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx skrev 27. mai 2008 kl. 09:26 +0000:*
>>   This issue is being debated among disability advocates from the two
>> main
>> organizations of the blind, the American Council of the Blind and the
>> National Federation of the Blind.
>>
>> I think it is very appropriate for tactile designers to also give it
>> serious
>> consideration.
>>
>> Those who haven't been keeping up with these debates should be aware that
>> the majority of legally blind people in wealthy countries are older
>> adults,
>> and I very much doubt
>> if most of them are members of any Blindness organization. Most teachers
>> and
>> counselors I know of who work with older people who have lost vision as
>> adults are told again and again by the majority of these people that they
>> would love to once again be able to quickly identify their money on their
>> own, so as to maintain some degree of independence and dignity in stores,
>> on
>> public transit, in taxis, and in restaurants, etc. Credit-debit cards
>> can't
>> be used everywhere; for example, they can't be used on many public transit
>> bus systems. and some older people don't feel comfortable using them
>> anyway.
>>
>> Most people with low vision, and all blind people, are unable to
>> distinguish one denomination of American paper money from another. Blind
>> people must ask sighted people for help in order to count and sort their
>> bills. Some may be able to afford and feel comfortable with machines that
>> can identify the denominations and speak the values out loud. But, many
>> people, especially older people who have lost vision as adults,  cannot
>> afford to buy such machines, or they feel uncomfortable using them, and
>> these machines make many nervous in check-out lines, where they slow
>> things
>> down a bit.
>>
>> In the United States, visual impairment is the third most common chronic
>> condition, after arthritis and heart disease, among the elderly.
>>
>> It is noteworthy that 17% of
>> adults aged 65 through 74 and 26% of those aged 75 and older have some
>> form
>> of visual impairment (Lighthouse International, 2003).
>>
>> We should also keep in mind that the United States is constantly replacing
>> worn-out currency.  Altering the size and design of denominations of bills
>> above the one-dollar bill would cost something like 5 percent of what the
>> government has spent on producing currency in the past decade.
>>
>> The Treasury spent a considerable amount of money redesigning our currency
>> in 1996 and 2004. But, both times they basically ignored recommendations
>> presented by a 1995 National Academy of Sciences report that recommended
>> making changes that would facilitate identification of different
>> denominations by touch.
>>
>> As a matter of fact, the United States had paper currency that varied in
>> size before 1929. It began producing all denominations of bills in the
>> same-size in 1929.  All other countries with paper currency vary the bills
>> in size according to denomination or include other features that help  all
>> people, sighted and nonsighted, in distinguishing between different
>> denominations of bills. Some add embossed dots, some have raised ink or
>> foil.
>> In Europe, for example, the Euro varies in size: the greater the value of
>> the bill, the greater the length. Each bill also has a raised number and
>> foil perceptible to touch, which not only helps those people who are blind
>> but is considered a security feature to prevent counterfeiting. In Japan,
>> the denominations each have a different geometric watermark shape in the
>> corner. Canadian bills have a different set of raised symbols. For
>> example,
>> the $5 note has one raised symbol; the $10 note has two symbols.
>>
>> Okay, tactile designers, let's work on some ideas for what the U.S. bills
>> could have!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Sylvie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steven Landau" <sl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:51 PM
>> Subject: [accessibleimage] Re: proposes solutions to us currency access
>> problem
>>
>>
>> yes, it will, indeed, be interesting to see this case go to the supreme
>> court, if it comes to that.  You are right, that if they just add braille,
>> or some other tactile marking to the existing paper money, that won't be
>> robust enough to last very long. I know that currency these days has a lot
>> of sophisticated anti-counterfeiting measures, such as watermarks, very
>> tiny
>> printing in many colors, and a special thread that is somehow embedded in
>> the paper, and that you can't see unless you hold it up to a light source.
>> I
>> am wondering if that thread could be modified to add some form of
>> electronic
>> tagging that could be read through some low tech means. But I think it
>> would
>> be best if the user did not need to own and carry another dedicated device
>> for reading bills.
>>
>> On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  Hello List:
>> >
>> >      It will certainly be interesting to see if the treasury appeals
>> this
>> > ruling to the Supreme Court. For those outside of the U. S., the
>> Treasury
>> > can appeal the currency ruling to the U. S. Supreme Court which is our
>> > highest court. Because of the large cost of redesigning the currency and
>> all
>> > the handling equipment, some people have advocated that the Treasury
>> simply
>> > provide any blind person who wants one a talking currency identifier.
>> These
>> > are currently in the $250 range, but it is believed that if the
>> government
>> > bought a million of them that the price would drop. I have also heard
>> that
>> > embossed bills tend to flatten out erasing their markings. Perhaps a
>> marking
>> > could be applied to bills, but I wonder if currency counters and other
>> > handling equipment would jam with the extra thick currency. One thing I
>> am
>> > certain of is that there will be much discussion of this topic on the
>> > blindness related lists.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Robert Jaquiss
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> steven landau
>> touch graphics, inc.
>> 330 west 38 street suite 1204
>> new york, ny 10018
>> usa
>> p. 800-884-2440
>> f. 646-452-4311
>> c. 646-515-3492
>>
>>
>> Lisa Yayla
>> Huseby Kompetansesenter
>> Oslo Norway
>> lisa.yayla@xxxxxxxxxx
>>
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> 330 west 38 street suite 1204
> new york, ny 10018
> usa
> p. 800-884-2440
> f. 646-452-4311
> c. 646-515-3492
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