[accessibleimage] Re: a question about a scanner
- From: John Gardner <John.Gardner@xxxxxxxx>
- To: accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, <accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:25:12 -0700
Hello Ike, a very prescient analysis of the advantages and difficulties of
tactile graphics. However having begun to depend more and more on tactile
graphics, I claim that most blind people who think they don't need tactile
graphics are just wrong. Of course we've grown up in a world where we had
to make do with verbal description, but complicated graphical information
sure does get a lot easier to comprehend if you have the graphics. I
assure you that if you have tactile graphics technology available, you'll
make more and more use of it until you just cannot imagine how you could
possibly have lived without it.
The mistake that many people make is in assuming that tactile graphics are
enough. They seldom are, particularly for the average blind person who has
had very little experience with tactile graphics. As you point out, most
mainstream tactile graphics are cluttered. In truth, many are really hard
to comprehend visually, but the difficulty is compounded if one has only
one's fingers. Good access really requires both tactile graphics and
verbal description. A blind teacher who has to judge graphical information
made by her students would be extremely well served by a tactile copy
overprinted in ink that can be seen by the teacher and student. Then
questions by the teacher and answers by the student just get a whole lot
easier.
Technology is cheap if it makes the blind person more effective.
John
At 06:38 AM 6/28/2005, Ike Presley wrote:
Hi Janet,
I've seen this sort of thing happen many times. A well meaning person not
familiar with our field sees some new technology and assumes that it is
the perfect answer for some problem. What your director probably saw was
the Tiger embosser connected to a computer and a scanner. Indeed, you can
scan an image and then have the image embossed on the Tiger. It's a
relatively simple process. Unfortunately the results may not always be
what you want or need.
One of the biggest problems with tactile graphics is "clutter." In many
cases, elements of a graphic may be so close to each other that when they
are embossed it will be difficult to distinguish between each of these
items or elements. For example: an outline map of the US on 81/2 x 11 inch
paper will show all the states. However, the smaller states of the
northeast will be somewhat difficult to see visually but most people can
make it out if detailed information is not needed. This image can easily
be scanned into a computer using most commercial scanners. The file can be
saved and then embossed on a Tiger embosser. The Tiger will produce a good
reproduction of the image. However, when you try to distinguish the
borders of the northeastern states you will find that it is almost
impossible to determine the difference between Massachusetts, Rhode
Island, and Connecticut. The dots representing the borders will be so
close to each other that you will most likely not be able to distinguish them.
Depending on the complexity of the graphical information provided by your
students you may be able to assist them. But as you can see from the
example above it could be quite difficult to tactual perceive the minute
difference that may exist in a student's work. I think that you will want
to have someone create a tactile graphic of the "graphic organizers and
story webs" so that you can learn how these graphics are displayed. I'm
not exactly sure what the director means by "graphic organizers and story
webs" but I'm thinking it might be something like the organizational
schemes achieved with the computer programs Inspiration and Kidspiration.
I think that once you understood how these organizational diagrams are
constructed you will be able to discuss each student's work verbally and
use a model of one of the diagrams to provide feedback to the student. I
think it is doable, but it will take some training on your part with
someone who is familiar with the graphical information and a good communicator.
Well, I've probably told you more than you ever wanted to know, but this
is a tricky area of access. Timely access to graphical information is
available with a scanner, computer, and Tiger embosser, but the usefulness
of that information will vary from item to item.
Good luck and please feel free to contact me if I can be of any further
assistance.
Ike
Ike Presley, Chair
AER Division 5 - Information and Technology
Ike Presley
American Foundation for the Blind
National Literacy Center
100 Peachtree St., Suite 620
Atlanta, GA 30303
404-525-2303
Please visit our website: www.afb.org
If you wish to subscribe to the Braille Help listserv send a blank message to
brlhelp-afb-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
and you will be added automatically.
The American Foundation for the Blind -- the organization to which Helen
Keller devoted over 40 years of her life -- is a national nonprofit whose
mission is to eliminate the inequities faced by the 10 million Americans
who are blind or visually impaired.
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From: accessibleimage-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:accessibleimage-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 6:27 PM
To: accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [accessibleimage] a question about a scanner
Hi List,
I am a totally blind teacher intern majoring in elementary special
education. I will begin my student teaching this fall.
the director of Special education at my university went to the CEC
conference last April. She has had some concern whether or not I am
capable of performing essential functions of the job as a teacher. One of
her main issues of concern is my ability to assist sighted students with
images such as graphic organizers and story webs. So when she discovered
information on this "scanner" she was very excited.
She described it to me thus:
It is a scanner with the ability to scan images and print them out as
exact images in a form of "Braille", something tactile that the blind
person can identify through touch.
She gave me information on this scanner and other things she had
discovered at the CEC conference. When I went to read the brochures and
pamphlets she had given me, I found nothing on this scanner. I am thinking
I have been the one to loose the information. It was a while before I
finally had time to investigate all the materials she brought me.
So after the long explanation, Has anybody heard of a scanner similar to
the one above described? I haven't but then I haven't been looking for
anything like that.
Thanks for your information.
John A. Gardner
Professor and Director, Science Access Project
Department of Physics
Oregon State University
Corvallis, OR 97331
tel: (541) 737 3278
FAX: (541) 737 1683
SAP URL: http://dots.physics.orst.edu/
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At 06:38 AM 6/28/2005, Ike Presley wrote:
Hi Janet,
I've seen this sort of thing happen many times. A well meaning person not familiar with our field sees some new technology and assumes that it is the perfect answer for some problem. What your director probably saw was the Tiger embosser connected to a computer and a scanner. Indeed, you can scan an image and then have the image embossed on the Tiger. It's a relatively simple process. Unfortunately the results may not always be what you want or need.
One of the biggest problems with tactile graphics is "clutter." In many cases, elements of a graphic may be so close to each other that when they are embossed it will be difficult to distinguish between each of these items or elements. For example: an outline map of the US on 81/2 x 11 inch paper will show all the states. However, the smaller states of the northeast will be somewhat difficult to see visually but most people can make it out if detailed information is not needed. This image can easily be scanned into a computer using most commercial scanners. The file can be saved and then embossed on a Tiger embosser. The Tiger will produce a good reproduction of the image. However, when you try to distinguish the borders of the northeastern states you will find that it is almost impossible to determine the difference between Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut. The dots representing the borders will be so close to each other that you will most likely not be able to distinguish them.
Depending on the complexity of the graphical information provided by your students you may be able to assist them. But as you can see from the example above it could be quite difficult to tactual perceive the minute difference that may exist in a student's work. I think that you will want to have someone create a tactile graphic of the "graphic organizers and story webs" so that you can learn how these graphics are displayed. I'm not exactly sure what the director means by "graphic organizers and story webs" but I'm thinking it might be something like the organizational schemes achieved with the computer programs Inspiration and Kidspiration. I think that once you understood how these organizational diagrams are constructed you will be able to discuss each student's work verbally and use a model of one of the diagrams to provide feedback to the student. I think it is doable, but it will take some training on your part with someone who is familiar with the graphical information and a good communicator.
Well, I've probably told you more than you ever wanted to know, but this is a tricky area of access. Timely access to graphical information is available with a scanner, computer, and Tiger embosser, but the usefulness of that information will vary from item to item.
Good luck and please feel free to contact me if I can be of any further assistance.
Ike
Ike Presley, Chair AER Division 5 - Information and Technology
Ike Presley American Foundation for the Blind National Literacy Center 100 Peachtree St., Suite 620 Atlanta, GA 30303 404-525-2303 Please visit our website: www.afb.org
If you wish to subscribe to the Braille Help listserv send a blank message to
brlhelp-afb-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
and you will be added automatically.The American Foundation for the Blind -- the organization to which Helen Keller devoted over 40 years of her life -- is a national nonprofit whose mission is to eliminate the inequities faced by the 10 million Americans who are blind or visually impaired.
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From: accessibleimage-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:accessibleimage-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 6:27 PM
To: accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [accessibleimage] a question about a scanner
Hi List,
I am a totally blind teacher intern majoring in elementary special education. I will begin my student teaching this fall.
the director of Special education at my university went to the CEC conference last April. She has had some concern whether or not I am capable of performing essential functions of the job as a teacher. One of her main issues of concern is my ability to assist sighted students with images such as graphic organizers and story webs. So when she discovered information on this "scanner" she was very excited.
She described it to me thus:
It is a scanner with the ability to scan images and print them out as exact images in a form of "Braille", something tactile that the blind person can identify through touch.
She gave me information on this scanner and other things she had discovered at the CEC conference. When I went to read the brochures and pamphlets she had given me, I found nothing on this scanner. I am thinking I have been the one to loose the information. It was a while before I finally had time to investigate all the materials she brought me.
So after the long explanation, Has anybody heard of a scanner similar to the one above described? I haven't but then I haven't been looking for anything like that.
Thanks for your information.
John A. Gardner Professor and Director, Science Access Project Department of Physics Oregon State University Corvallis, OR 97331 tel: (541) 737 3278 FAX: (541) 737 1683 SAP URL: http://dots.physics.orst.edu/
- [accessibleimage] Re: a question about a scanner
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