[accessibleimage] Re: Yesterday's Blog Post
- From: Lisa Yayla <fnugg@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:50:53 +0100
AutoCad would be very nice.
Best,
Lisa
accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi,
I will try to generate audio files. They need to be in DVD audio or CDA
format as they require SurroundSound which doesn't fit into MP3. I'll do
what I can but, once the software is rewritten, it will be smaller and
easier to use than simply downloading a huge audio file.
When I wrote "seconds" I meant it. Of course, these are simple geometric
primitives in wireframe form so the complexity of something as real as a
basketball with its nubbies and stripes could break my model.
I'll get you guys something as soon as I can. My next project is AutoCAD
for blinks <laugh>.
Enjoy,
cdh
-----Original Message-----
From: accessibleimage-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:accessibleimage-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Meijer
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:23 AM
To: accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [accessibleimage] Re: Yesterday's Blog Post
Chris, you are amazing, you write faster than I can read! <g>
Thanks for responding so quickly. I did not actually ask for
software though, but just audio samples to get a real "feel"
for what you described in your interesting blog entry. Of
course you may have restrictions in offering audio samples as
well, I don't know, but I'm sure lots of people would like to
know how "intuitive" your audio rendering of geometric shapes
will sound. I'll readily admit that "seeing with sound" using
The vOICe is not at all easy to master - a weak point for
which I have no solution in store. If your audio renderings
are intuitive as well as general in their capability to deal
with arbitrary 3D shapes and/or visual images, that would be
a breakthrough.
I was particularly intrigued by you writing
> typically, in a very short amount of time (seconds) the blind
> people who have listened to my audio wireframe image have
> identified it as a sphere. Also, within seconds they identify
> cubes, pyramids, cones, cylinders and other three dimensional
> primitives.
Thus it would seem most effective and convincing if you could
put these existing audio samples online?
Best wishes,
Peter Meijer
Seeing with Sound - The vOICe
http://www.seeingwithsound.com/winvoice.htm
Chris Hofstader wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Peter posted a comment to yesterday's Blind Confidential post
(http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com) asking me to post some of
the
software I have written to generate my audio wireframe images. As I
thought
the rest of this austere group would find both the blog post and the
software interesting, I decided to reply here instead of privately.
I am rapidly working to reconstruct my software that generates the
geometric
primitives I describe in the post yesterday. I am also going to
reproduce
the couple of interactive programs I had written for this purpose.
Today,
I
do not own the copyright to the software I wrote and cannot, therefore,
post
it anywhere. I am not, however, bound by a non-compete on this work so
will, without a lot of difficulty, be able to recreate it and, this
time,
release it with source code included under a modified GPL (similar to
the
one used by ViewPlus).
On November 29, my non-compete, non-disclosure and non-disparagement
agreements with Freedom Scientific all expire. On December 1, I will be
going live with http://www.hofstader.com. The purpose of h.c will be to
act
as a repository for free software written in the blindness arena. We
will
be putting up a wiki about all things making technology for users with
vision impairment as well as tutorials blinks can use to learn
programming.
Over time we hope to provide source control repositories and
collaboration
tools for open source projects and will be contributing our own work
there
too. I currently have three programs under way that are designed as
hands
and eyes free and destined for the automotive safety market, I plan on
releasing free versions to h.c for use by blind people. There will be
differences between the commercial releases and the open source, GPL
versions but only to the extent that the commercial versions include
expensive third party libraries that do not carry GPL and, therefore,
cannot
be distributed freely on our web site.
In other news, while I am working on these projects, I am doing so
entirely
without a salary. I am looking for consulting projects and anything
else
that might help pay the bills as the RERC on Technology and Successful
Aging
at UF, my employer, had its renewal rejected and I am once again
seeking a
home for my brilliant mind, excellent ideas, incredible work ethic and
supremely modest attitude <smile>. So, if you have anything that could
use
my eclectic background on, please drop me a line and I'll do my best to
accommodate your needs and budgets. I don't come cheap but I am an AT
slut
so can probably be convinced to work on some things at a low price.
Enjoy,
cdh
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Hi,
I will try to generate audio files. They need to be in DVD audio or CDA format as they require SurroundSound which doesn't fit into MP3. I'll do what I can but, once the software is rewritten, it will be smaller and easier to use than simply downloading a huge audio file.
When I wrote "seconds" I meant it. Of course, these are simple geometric primitives in wireframe form so the complexity of something as real as a basketball with its nubbies and stripes could break my model.
I'll get you guys something as soon as I can. My next project is AutoCAD for blinks <laugh>.
Enjoy,
cdh
-----Original Message----- From: accessibleimage-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:accessibleimage-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Meijer Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:23 AM To: accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [accessibleimage] Re: Yesterday's Blog Post
Chris, you are amazing, you write faster than I can read! <g> Thanks for responding so quickly. I did not actually ask for software though, but just audio samples to get a real "feel" for what you described in your interesting blog entry. Of course you may have restrictions in offering audio samples as well, I don't know, but I'm sure lots of people would like to know how "intuitive" your audio rendering of geometric shapes will sound. I'll readily admit that "seeing with sound" using The vOICe is not at all easy to master - a weak point for which I have no solution in store. If your audio renderings are intuitive as well as general in their capability to deal with arbitrary 3D shapes and/or visual images, that would be a breakthrough.
I was particularly intrigued by you writing
> typically, in a very short amount of time (seconds) the blind > people who have listened to my audio wireframe image have > identified it as a sphere. Also, within seconds they identify > cubes, pyramids, cones, cylinders and other three dimensional > primitives.
Thus it would seem most effective and convincing if you could put these existing audio samples online?
Best wishes,
Peter Meijer
Seeing with Sound - The vOICe http://www.seeingwithsound.com/winvoice.htm
Chris Hofstader wrote:
thoughttheHi Everyone,
Peter posted a comment to yesterday's Blind Confidential post
(http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com) asking me to post some of
software I have written to generate my audio wireframe images. As I
geometricthe rest of this austere group would find both the blog post and the software interesting, I decided to reply here instead of privately.
I am rapidly working to reconstruct my software that generates the
Iprimitives I describe in the post yesterday. I am also going toreproduce
the couple of interactive programs I had written for this purpose.Today,
postdo not own the copyright to the software I wrote and cannot, therefore,
actit anywhere. I am not, however, bound by a non-compete on this work sotime,
will, without a lot of difficulty, be able to recreate it and, this
release it with source code included under a modified GPL (similar tothe
one used by ViewPlus).
On November 29, my non-compete, non-disclosure and non-disparagement
agreements with Freedom Scientific all expire. On December 1, I will be
going live with http://www.hofstader.com. The purpose of h.c will be to
programming.as a repository for free software written in the blindness arena. Wewill
be putting up a wiki about all things making technology for users with
vision impairment as well as tutorials blinks can use to learn
cannotOver time we hope to provide source control repositories andcollaboration
tools for open source projects and will be contributing our own workthere
too. I currently have three programs under way that are designed ashands
and eyes free and destined for the automotive safety market, I plan on
releasing free versions to h.c for use by blind people. There will be
differences between the commercial releases and the open source, GPL
versions but only to the extent that the commercial versions include
expensive third party libraries that do not carry GPL and, therefore,
entirelybe distributed freely on our web site.
In other news, while I am working on these projects, I am doing so
Agingwithout a salary. I am looking for consulting projects and anythingelse
that might help pay the bills as the RERC on Technology and Successful
useat UF, my employer, had its renewal rejected and I am once againseeking a
home for my brilliant mind, excellent ideas, incredible work ethic and
supremely modest attitude <smile>. So, if you have anything that could
slutmy eclectic background on, please drop me a line and I'll do my best to
accommodate your needs and budgets. I don't come cheap but I am an AT
so can probably be convinced to work on some things at a low price.
Enjoy,
cdh
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