[accessibleimage] Re: [Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research] art by Esref and others
- From: "simon hayhoe" <simonhayhoe@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:28:48 +0000
This is a very interesting thought, Lisa.
A couple of points could be considered, however. Firstly, Sacks studies Virgil, using Gregory's model of studying SB in the 1960s. He draws similar conclusions, too, namely that perceptions are learnt and not inherent - i.e. when he saw for the first time it took him time to learn the similarities between what he was seeing for the first time and his touch perceptions. This Gregory refers to as cross modal transfer. An example of this was when SB lent out of a third floor window without realising that the ground was around 40 feet below. John (K) of course, takes a wholly different approach and believes that this process is inherent, and it takes a short while for these connections to 'kick in' - I hope this interpretation is right, John?. It is interesting to compare Virgil to Esref as they initially appear very different. in Viktor Lowenfeld and Revesz's terms, Esref is a
visual type whereas Virgil was a haptic type - at first, at the very least. This should also be considered especially in terms of the nature/nurture debate.
My opinion is irrelevant, by the way, as I'm an espistemologist. But I thought that the overview my provide some help, Lisa!
Best wishes, and I look forward to the future debate on this issue.
As ever,
Simon
P.S. for those that are interested, England are all out for 370 odd. I think its heading for a draw - or at least I hope so!
_______________________________________________
Simon Hayhoe
Leicester,
British Isles.
From: "Lisa Yayla" <lisa.yayla@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research] art by Esref and others
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:20:34 +0200
>Hi,
>I was just reading Oliver Sacks book An Anthropologist on Mars and
>wondered
>Could drawing be divided in three parts.
>1. the inherent, that which is "hardwired" in everyone includes eg math,
>information component need (contours - need in the same way one needs
>vitamins, as a component for development)
>2. the
intake: senses
>3. the output:ability to draw, coordination
>
>Would it not make it easier to understand how Esref draws then, that is he
>is 1. hardwired like everyone to look for contour information 2. his
>intake sense of touch is working fine 3. his output ability is in very
>fine working order and in addition learns very well
>And perhaps the the ability to draw can be seen as a result of these
>three parts?
>
>Regards,
>Lisa
>
>Art Beyond Sight Theory and Research
><art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research@xxxxxxxxxx> skriver:
> >Hi All - I just looked at the Art Beyond Sight web site, and it is
> >fantastic. I check back there frequently, but not often enough. I
> >was especially interested in the fine art produced by Esref
Armagan.
> >I wish that I had been able to attend his reception when he had an
> >exhibit recently.
> >Does anyone know how he does it? I am a Mac user, and could not view
> >the video on the site.
> >Does he use raised-line drawings before adding pigments?
> >This is what I would expect from the paintings. Does he have any
> >useful light perception?
> >Regards,
> >Morty Heller
> >--
> >**********************
> >Morton A. Heller, Ph.D.
> >Professor of Psychology
> >Physical Sciences Building
> >Eastern Illinois University
> >600 Lincoln Ave.
> >Charleston, IL 61920
> >U.S.A.
> >217-581-2323 (office)
> >217-355-1231
> >_______________________________________________
>
>Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research mailing list
> >Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research@xxxxxxxxxx
> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research
>
>
>Lisa Yayla
>Huseby Kompetansesenter
>Oslo Norway
>lisa.yayla@xxxxxxxxxx
>
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This is a very interesting thought, Lisa.
A couple of points could be considered, however. Firstly, Sacks studies Virgil, using Gregory's model of studying SB in the 1960s. He draws similar conclusions, too, namely that perceptions are learnt and not inherent - i.e. when he saw for the first time it took him time to learn the similarities between what he was seeing for the first time and his touch perceptions. This Gregory refers to as cross modal transfer. An example of this was when SB lent out of a third floor window without realising that the ground was around 40 feet below. John (K) of course, takes a wholly different approach and believes that this process is inherent, and it takes a short while for these connections to 'kick in' - I hope this interpretation is right, John?. It is interesting to compare Virgil to Esref as they initially appear very different. in Viktor Lowenfeld and Revesz's terms, Esref is a visual type whereas Virgil was a haptic type - at first, at the very least. This should also be considered especially in terms of the nature/nurture debate.
My opinion is irrelevant, by the way, as I'm an espistemologist. But I thought that the overview my provide some help, Lisa!
Best wishes, and I look forward to the future debate on this issue.
As ever,
Simon
P.S. for those that are interested, England are all out for 370 odd. I think its heading for a draw - or at least I hope so!
_______________________________________________
From: "Lisa Yayla" <lisa.yayla@xxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Art Beyond Sight Theory and Research<art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Art Beyond Sight Theory and Research<art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research@xxxxxxxxxx>, accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research] art by Esref and others
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:20:34 +0200
>Hi,
>I was just reading Oliver Sacks book An Anthropologist on Mars and
>wondered
>Could drawing be divided in three parts.
>1. the inherent, that which is "hardwired" in everyone includes eg math,
>information component need (contours - need in the same way one needs
>vitamins, as a component for development)
>2. the intake: senses
>3. the output:ability to draw, coordination
>
>Would it not make it easier to understand how Esref draws then, that is he
>is 1. hardwired like everyone to look for contour information 2. his
>intake sense of touch is working fine 3. his output ability is in very
>fine working order and in addition learns very well
>And perhaps the the ability to draw can be seen as a result of these
>three parts?
>
>Regards,
>Lisa
>
>Art Beyond Sight Theory and Research
><art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research@xxxxxxxxxx> skriver:
> >Hi All - I just looked at the Art Beyond Sight web site, and it is
> >fantastic. I check back there frequently, but not often enough. I
> >was especially interested in the fine art produced by Esref Armagan.
> >I wish that I had been able to attend his reception when he had an
> >exhibit recently.
> >Does anyone know how he does it? I am a Mac user, and could not view
> >the video on the site.
> >Does he use raised-line drawings before adding pigments?
> >This is what I would expect from the paintings. Does he have any
> >useful light perception?
> >Regards,
> >Morty Heller
> >--
> >**********************
> >Morton A. Heller, Ph.D.
> >Professor of Psychology
> >Physical Sciences Building
> >Eastern Illinois University
> >600 Lincoln Ave.
> >Charleston, IL 61920
> >U.S.A.
> >217-581-2323 (office)
> >217-355-1231
> >_______________________________________________
> >Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research mailing list
> >Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research@xxxxxxxxxx
> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research
>
>
>Lisa Yayla
>Huseby Kompetansesenter
>Oslo Norway
>lisa.yayla@xxxxxxxxxx
>
>_______________________________________________
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