[accessibleimage] Re: Accessible visual aesthetics

Hi Lisa,

Point taken. Additionally, with some ballet moves, as well as other forms of musical art, opera for example, movement can be symbolic and intended more to convey semantic meaning rather than for purely aesthetic reasons. In these situations understanding the movements would also help to follow the storyline and intended meaning of the piece.

I raised the issue of aesthetics more as a thinking aloud exercise considering whether it would ever be eventually possible to access visual aesthetics. If we could not only achieve access to semantics, but to aesthetics too, then this would be a great achievement.

I don't get football too *smile*.

Will
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Yayla" <lisa.yayla@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:42 AM
Subject: [accessibleimage] Re: Accessible visual aesthetics


Hi,

The idea of mapping out what is going on stage was not to be done with the
idea of aesthetics, but for information.
The idea is to be involved, know what is going on. Whether this leads to
an aesthetic appreciation for ballet would
I think be difficult to say. It might.  I would guess, learning about
something from one angle can lead to
other types of understanding and appreciation of the same subject in other
ways. We all don't have to go the same
way or route.  The map is not a replacement for visual aesthetics, but it
is information on what is going on.

From what I understand there are a lot of blind persons that like to
listen to football on the radio or attend matches.
I would dare to suppose that this is close to an aesthetic appreciation,
enjoyment of the game.  What is it they enjoy?
Isn't football sort of similar to ballet in its movement and drama? Can
one enjoy things on different levels, different aspects?

If a football fan got a tactile or printed diagram of a play (or what ever
they are called), I would guess he/she would get
enjoyment out of it, and exactly what that enjoyment was based on could, I
would,  be different from person to person. And
how they learned to appreciate football would I guess too would be pretty
individual.

Best,
Lisa

Personally it's a mystery how anyone can get enjoyment out of football
(sorry not a fan).



accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx skriver: 
Hi Chris et al.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hofstader" <chris.hofstader@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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I struggle with dance without being able to see. 

I think dance typifies the fundamental problem with access to art
compared
to media that is more orientated towards communicating semantic content.
It
is relatively easy to extract semantic content from visual media, but I
consider it to be very difficult, if not impossible, to convey visual
aesthetics in another form.  Aesthetics are associated with patterns of
sensory stimuli, with people liking certain patterns whilst disliking
others.  The problem with attempting to convert visual aesthetics to
another
sensory modality is that the different sensory systems have different
characteristics.  The sensory memory associated with the different types
of
stimuli is thought to have different characteristics, the different types
of
stimuli have different threshold values, and have differing spectrums.
So,
I would consider a direct mapping to be out of the question.

I don't know of any work that has investigated non-direct mappings
between
visual aesthetics and aesthetics for other forms of sensory stimuli.  It
would be an interesting avenue of exploration to see if there were
mappings
that not only were visually pleasing, but also resulted in stimuli
patterns
that were pleasing in other forms of sensory stimuli.

Will 


Lisa Yayla
Huseby Kompetansesenter
Oslo Norway
lisa.yayla@xxxxxxxxxx





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