[accessibleimage] Re: Accessible visual aesthetics

Lisa,

I think the difference between football, hockey, baseball etc. is that the
movements of the athletes are not representative of anything other than
trying to score points or keep their opponents from doing the same.  The
description of these actions, therefore, tell the whole story.  When Johnny
Most yelled, "Bird stole the ball!  Bird stole the ball!"  A listener didn't
try to imagine a dancer becoming a flower.

In dance, if you describe the movements, "the prima ballerina's arm slowly
moves upward as smoothly as one can imagine, her hand opening upward toward
the ceiling..." I get a visual of such a movement but, without the context
of everything else going on in a wordless environment I think I would get
lost.

Back to Johnny Most calling the Celtics basketball game.  When Larry Bird
stole the ball, I knew that Bird reached in, grabbed the basketball from the
opposing player and, with a few more words from old Johnny, knew that he
passed it off to DJ who, in turn sank a shot winning the game for the home
town team.  So, in sports, a listener knows the context and the motion is
not representative of anything other than trying to meet the objectives of
the game.

A sad note:  I heard that Brigitte Neilson died earlier this week.  Her
recordings will be her lasting legacy and I doubt I will ever hear anyone
sing Wagner's female characters more beautifully.  I've been celebrating her
life by listening to those recordings plus a few bootlegs I have from the
Texaco.  Maybe, in her honor, I will shatter a wine glass too...

Enjoy,
cdh

  

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Subject: [accessibleimage] Re: Accessible visual aesthetics

Hi,

The idea of mapping out what is going on stage was not to be done with the
idea of aesthetics, but for information.
The idea is to be involved, know what is going on. Whether this leads to
an aesthetic appreciation for ballet would
I think be difficult to say. It might.  I would guess, learning about
something from one angle can lead to
other types of understanding and appreciation of the same subject in other
ways. We all don't have to go the same
way or route.  The map is not a replacement for visual aesthetics, but it
is information on what is going on.

From what I understand there are a lot of blind persons that like to
listen to football on the radio or attend matches. 
I would dare to suppose that this is close to an aesthetic appreciation,
enjoyment of the game.  What is it they enjoy?
Isn't football sort of similar to ballet in its movement and drama? Can
one enjoy things on different levels, different aspects? 

If a football fan got a tactile or printed diagram of a play (or what ever
they are called), I would guess he/she would get
enjoyment out of it, and exactly what that enjoyment was based on could, I
would,  be different from person to person. And
how they learned to appreciate football would I guess too would be pretty
individual.

Best,
Lisa
 
Personally it's a mystery how anyone can get enjoyment out of football
(sorry not a fan). 



accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx skriver:
>Hi Chris et al.
>
>Reply inline...
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Chris Hofstader" <chris.hofstader@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
>> I struggle with dance without being able to see.
>
>I think dance typifies the fundamental problem with access to art
>compared 
>to media that is more orientated towards communicating semantic content. 
>It 
>is relatively easy to extract semantic content from visual media, but I 
>consider it to be very difficult, if not impossible, to convey visual 
>aesthetics in another form.  Aesthetics are associated with patterns of 
>sensory stimuli, with people liking certain patterns whilst disliking 
>others.  The problem with attempting to convert visual aesthetics to
>another 
>sensory modality is that the different sensory systems have different 
>characteristics.  The sensory memory associated with the different types
>of 
>stimuli is thought to have different characteristics, the different types
>of 
>stimuli have different threshold values, and have differing spectrums. 
>So, 
>I would consider a direct mapping to be out of the question.
>
>I don't know of any work that has investigated non-direct mappings
>between 
>visual aesthetics and aesthetics for other forms of sensory stimuli.  It 
>would be an interesting avenue of exploration to see if there were
>mappings 
>that not only were visually pleasing, but also resulted in stimuli
>patterns 
>that were pleasing in other forms of sensory stimuli.
>
>Will 


Lisa Yayla
Huseby Kompetansesenter 
Oslo Norway
lisa.yayla@xxxxxxxxxx

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