Hi, We didn't get it here, and doing a search in the email server log doesn't indicate anything from you even coming through our borders, other than relayed through access-uk. Could you use something like www.yousendit.com? Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 29 October 2005 22:58 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center Hi Andrew. yes, I sent it at the same time as the one I sent to George. George has already been writing asking did I send it. I sent both about an hour ago. It's a very small file lasting about 1 minute.. Perhaps BT are not happy with me sending this type of file? Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center > Hi, > > Did you send the MP3 file? > > Andrew. > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Andy > Sent: 29 October 2005 19:24 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center > > Hi Andrew. > > Funny how you get used to noise isn't it? You may be right Andrew, but > the > noise was there before I visited the shop. It's as though their bench was > specially balanced or something. Glasgow is a couple of hours away and a > full days trip to visit PC World. I'm loathed to get Pauline on a weekend > day off to take me all the way up for the computer to be running silent > again. > > Best wishes. > Andy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:17 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center > > >> Hi, >> >> I am wondering if something is loose in the machine, and when you got it >> home it got banged/etc and thus the noise is back? >> >> Andrew. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf >> Of Andy >> Sent: 29 October 2005 19:12 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center >> >> Hi George. >> >> I purchased my computer from PC World in December of last year and >> returned >> to the shop around April for assistance with another problem. At that >> time, >> I also complained about the terrible noise coming from my computer and >> the >> lady took me into the lab at the back of the shop. To my surprise, there >> was my computer on a bench running as quietly as a mouse. I told her >> that >> the noise was driving me mad and she pointed to the machine stating that >> she >> could not hear anything. Sure enough, when I put my ear to the machine, >> I >> too could hardly hear a thing. However, when I got home and returned my >> computer to it's normal location, the noise was back. I've tried lifting >> each corner very slightly in case it was like a fridge in the sense that >> it's balance needed slight adjustments. After a month or so of trying to >> achieve this, I gave up. It's a great computer George: Very quick with >> everything, but I cannot listen to music from the CD player because of >> the >> noise. My older Packard Bell, which is about three years old and now >> belongs to Pauline, is silent. >> >> Best wishes. >> Andy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:48 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center >> >> >>> Fan noise is something which you can often deal with >>> yourself. Indeed there is a very good article on the >>> subject at:- (Watch out for the long URL - it should end in >>> "your-pc.html") >>> http://www.compshopper.co.uk/shopper/features/67514/silence- >>> your-pc.html >>> >>> Essentially there are usually up to four fans. >>> 1) The CPU Fan. >>> 2) The Power Supply Fan. >>> 3) The General Case Circulation Fan. >>> 4) Specific Board Fans. (For example on a Video Card) >>> >>> Although you will usually require help from someone familiar >>> and experienced with working inside PCs, you can often cut >>> noise down without spending too much. (Other than a beer or >>> three for the helper!) >>> >>> Fans get dirty, so clean them with either a small dry paint >>> brush, or a can of compressed air. >>> >>> You be surprised how much noise is actually just plain old >>> vibration. A loose cable can vibrate against the side of >>> the case, when all it needs is a cable tie, or even a small >>> piece of insulating tape, to keep it clear. >>> >>> In some cases, a tiny drop of oil can work wonders with a >>> noisy fan. Bearings can dry out, but be careful to use only >>> a small amount of oil, and plane to replace the fan anyway. >>> >>> If all else fails, try and identify the fan which makes the >>> most noise, and consider replacing it with a silent type. >>> Fans are not generally expensive, especially when you >>> consider the cost over the life of the PC, not to mention >>> your personal comfort during that period. >>> >>> George. >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy >>>> Sent: 29 October 2005 17:15 >>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center >>>> >>>> Hi Ray. >>>> >>>> Yes, the noise is an issue but I'm sure computers will >>> become >>>> much more quieter in the near future, particularly because >>> of >>>> the DVD and CD playing ability. I'll do a search for the >>>> brands you mentioned to see what's available now. I do >>> hope >>>> that accessibility is not going to prevent visually >>> impaired >>>> people enjoy these multi-media machines though. It seems >>>> that we are always waiting doesn't it? >>>> >>>> Best wishes. >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:32 PM >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center >>>> >>>> >>>> > Actually Andy, computers are around that are as quiet as >>> a >>>> video recorder, >>>> > and ones that are completely silent, as near as darn it! >>> >>>> Very quiet fans, >>>> > or no fans are used in some instances. Hard disks >>> enclosed >>>> in soundproof >>>> > enclsures are used to combat noise from that source. >>>> > >>>> > In the sound recording field, perhaps Carrilon computers >>> >>>> have become a >>>> > benchmark for this sort of machine. As well as being >>> very, >>>> very quiet, >>>> > they are optimised for audio recording There are other >>>> firms too that are >>>> > expliting this nich of the market. >>>> > >>>> > More in the mainstream, you have firms such as Hi Grade, >>> >>>> who have marketed >>>> > a Media Center computer for a couple of years or so now. >>> >>>> Almost sure Sony >>>> > does too, though being Sony you pay a high premium for >>> the style. >>>> > >>>> > So, in short Andy, there are no shortage of really quiet >>> >>>> machines around, >>>> > and some are priced not too disimilarly to the noisy one >>> >>>> you've got. >>>> > Maybe for my own reference I'll do some searches on >>> media >>>> and quiet Pcs. >>>> > >>>> > As for the Window-Eyes issue and MC, as Peter says, >>> maybe >>>> there is a heavy >>>> > reliance on MSAA, but I don't see that necessarily as >>> abad >>>> thing. I >>>> > think in the next year there are bound to be reviews of >>>> these things on >>>> > programs like Main Menu, and the newer and growing list >>> at >>>> cooltechaudio >>>> > list. Its a trend in the merging of Pcs and multimedia >>>> that is hardly >>>> > likely to be overlooked by blind people; quite the >>> reverse.. >>>> > Ray >>>> > >>>> > Personal emails: Email me at >>>> > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Andy" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > | Hi Ray. >>>> > | >>>> > | Absolutely, the noise is a concern. My computer, >>> despite >>>> costing me >>>> > over >>>> > | £1000 last year is as noisy as a washing machine. >>> They >>>> will need to >>>> > become >>>> > | significantly quieter but given the cooling that needs >>> to >>>> be don, I >>>> > don't >>>> > | think they will ever run as silent as a video >>> recorder. >>>> > | >>>> > | I too would be interested in any information regarding >>> >>>> which access >>>> > software >>>> > | is best suited to the media centre. 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