hi tink, ok i reinstalled jaws today and still no joy. i haven't changed a single setting from the defaults when jaws installs. i had a play tonight to try and figure out exactly what jfw6.1 is doing, using: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/incidents/cleared.html if i place jaws at the top of the window and arrow down, there are two links imediately below the title, the links say: logo for national rail (i think) and Back The Bid for the London 2012 Olympic Games however, instead of arrowing down if i press tab, jfw lands on a combo box which is immediately above the "get times" button near the bottom of the page. however if i then hit tab again, supposedly from this combo box, i land on those links mentioned above at the top of the page. also if i press tab from any part of that page that isn't a link, from a line of text for example, i get taken to the combo box mentioned above. it's almost like jaws is attached by a chain to that combo box. i'm totally baffled by this one! i don't think it's the website's fault, i've not heard of anyone else having this problem anywhere. jfw behaves itself on most sites, but i just can't figure out what setting i can change on my computer that will stop this happening. kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me on kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website > Kevin, > > I wasn't aware that there was a difference, although it sounds very > much like there must be. > > It's curious, tab indexing has been around for a long while and I'm > not sure how Jaws could be configuered to deal with it differentlyI've got > v4.5 installed at work, so I'll see if I can figure it out next week. > > I did try Sunil's suggestion of switching of page refresh, but this > didn't seem to make much difference in 6.2. Curious. > > Tink. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > kevin and emma > Sent: 01 July 2005 20:59 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website > > hi tink, i take it then that there's something different in the way jfw6 > handles such webpages compared to jfw4.2, as with 4.2 the page behaves as it > should. thanks for the info by the way. > kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me on > kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:44 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website > > > > Kevin, > > > > This is a web design issue, rather than a Jaws one. > > > > The site uses something called Tab Indexing. You can apply tab > > indexing to elements on a page, most commonly form fields and the like. > What > > this does is force the tab key to move in a very specific order, quite > > often, nothing like the natural order of the web page as you'd expect it. > > > > This is a poor design method, used when pages have no natural or > > logical order from the outset. I'm afraid I don't believe there's anything > > you can do to overcome this, aside frm sending a complaint to the site > > deveopers or owners. > > > > Tink. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > > kevin and emma > > Sent: 01 July 2005 18:22 > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [access-uk] problem with a website > > > > hi all, i'm having trouble navigating: > > http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/incidents/cleared.html > > > > using jfw6.1. for some reason on the nationalrail website as a whole, the > > "tab" key isn't taking me to the next link. on the page above for example, > > if i go to the top of the page and press tab, jaws seems to ignore most of > > the page and drops me in a combo box in the journey planner near the > bottom > > of the page. it seems no matter where i place myself, if it's above this > > journey planner, jaws skips into it. there's plenty of links on that page, > > but jfw doesn't seem to want to know. it's only this site this happens > with. > > any ideas? > > kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me > on > > kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ** and in the Subject line type > > ** unsubscribe > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > ** immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > ** or send a message, to > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ** and in the Subject line type > > ** unsubscribe > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > ** immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > ** or send a message, to > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq