Hi Kevin. I see from a later e-mail that you've now found an IRiver otherwise I would have recommended the creative zen. I have a 20GB player that has a touch pad rather than touch screen but creative also provide remote controls for most of their players which use traditional buttons for play, pause, next track, previous track, rewind, fast forward, stop and powering on and off as well as switching between mp3 and radio. Just wanted to point this out as you may want to look for remote controls before discounting an otherwise perfect player that has a touch screen. Regards.player Kevin E-mail: kevin.lloyd3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin and Emma To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:49 PM Subject: [access-uk] mp3 player hi all, quick and simple question recommendations for an mp3 player, minimum 4 gig. we're both totally blind so no touch screens, and i don't like IPods. having to learn extensive menus to do stuff is not a problem. so anyone? kevin - (lord l) "Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice"-Will Durant contact me: email/msn: kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype: lordandladyl