Derek, similar debates (to put it politely) have now been fuelled by you on two other lists on this self same matter. It seems pointless to ask for people's opinions so that when they give them, you can simply take issue with them. You asked for people's views. If you disagree with those views then the way to test them is either to have the argument with the company or go to court over the matter. Arguing the toss on a list like this where people have given you what you asked for is entirely counter productive. If you think people here are wrong then go and ask the DRC or someone. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kevin and emma Sent: 17 August 2005 11:17 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: lakelands catalogue derek, logic has nothing to do with it! you were refering to discrimination, not logic. Kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me via email/msn: kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: lakelands catalogue > Hi Kevin > You said: > > "i'd also have to say i thought their reply reasonable. their > catalogue does change a lot and as you contacted them via email, it's > safe to assume you have access to the catalogue online" > > Not really, as not everyone that uses email is happy to use internet > shopping sites. > > You also said: > "don't forget the DDA states access to material in an *accessible* > format. it doesn't specify it has to be a *preferred* format." > > If a company like an airline tells a blind person that is able to > walk: > > "you must use this wheelchair" > would you support that policy and if not why not?" > So I take it you do agree that the blind persons has right to > *prefer* to walk, even though it would be easier for the staff, if > the wheel chair was used. > > Surly it's just same sort of logic when we discuss the rights and > wrongs of Braille. > > Regards, > Derek > > e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq