[access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?

Hi Damon,

So aren't sighted people unemployed as well?  I don't understand this we
should get it cheap, because we are blind business.

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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of Damon
Sent: 16 April 2005 06:01
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?


70% of blind men are unemployed tho. 90% of blind women ... according to the
last stats I saw.  Hence books should be available at a reasonable price.

Anyhoo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:16 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?


> Not necessarily.  A blind person must be especially creative when looking
> for employment as many jobs are closed to him for one reason or other.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:57 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
> > Blindness is also synonymous with poverty.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of Angel
> > Sent: 15 April 2005 15:54
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >
> >
> > I agree, but blindness is synonymous with expensive, and inconvenient.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:30 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >
> >
> > > I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about getting
> > > free
> > books.  What really pisses me off though is having to spend three
> > bleeding hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it!
> > >
> > > JT
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of Ray's Home
> > > Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are a
> > public service, well what's left of them!  The notion of public service
> > has taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so, not
> > surprisingly, you are often hard pressed to find the latest books there.
> > >
> > > As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians in
> > > the
> > middle ages  did argue that stealing food for survival was OK, just as
> > much as you needed to stay alive that is.  I guess Daman is arguing for
> > the right for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food
> > alone.
> > >
> > > I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of
> > > reading,
> > much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed.  The sheer farce
> > of trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the
> > breadth of material available to other students has to be gone through
> > to be believed.
> > >
> > > I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally and
> > > its
> > certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these days
> > has many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in
> > all the various formats.  I just wonder how much those here would be
> > prepared to pay to own a copy if that were an option.  Seems to me that
> > unabridged audio books are always going to be at a premium price
> > although I do not see that the margin has to be as high as it is now.
> > >
> > > Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it.  I
> > just wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be made
> > available, and more to the point, how?  Taking the risk of resurrecting
> > the format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just how
> > will the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up to
> > reality?
> > >
> > > By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from
> > > wondering
> > offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file size
> > allowed on this list!
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > Personal emails:  Email me at
> > > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Angel"
> > >
> > > > Libraries give books for free because of their community obligation,
> >
> > > > not because of a human rite any may have.  Have you tried to get the
> >
> > > > books
> > you
> > > > seek from sources like Audible.com.  The people there have gone out
> > > > of
> > their
> > > > way to make their site and books accessible to us.  There is no
> > > > rational explanation for stealing.
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Damon Rose"
> > > >
> > > >> Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a
> > > >> human
> > > > right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for
> > similar
> > > > reasons, surely?
> > > >>
> > > >> What about classic books of our time, thos that are social
> > > >> commentaries
> > > > such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
> > parliance,
> > > > using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a novel
> > > > to shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a
> > > > complicated
> > concept
> > > > that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
> > > >>
> > > >> Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
> > > > technological and social zeitgeist.
> > > >>
> > > >> Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography Shooting
> > > > History,  for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain
> > > > an
> > awful
> > > > lot of important and significant commentary and information.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue
> > > >> to
> > make
> > > > books inaccessible.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so that
> > they
> > > > will continue to publish great books.  I would like authors to
> > > > benefit
> > from
> > > > my individual purchase.  But if books are inaccessible then they
> > > > kind of have to accept that we steal their texts.
> > > >>
> > > >> In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the
> > > >> first
> > > > place, we're just steeling it bak again.
> > > >>
> > > >> ...Damon
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >  Angel
> > > >>
> > > >> How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever
> > > >> you
> > want
> > > > to read is a basic human rite.  In which constitution does it say
> > > > this?
> > If
> > > > you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
> > software,
> > > > or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits.
> > > > Though basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being
> > > > able to
> > read
> > >
> > > > your favorite novel is not.
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Damon"
> > >
> > > >> > Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read
> > > >> > print.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we
> > can't
> > > >> > really describe it as thievery.  I'd describe it as taking
> > > >> > something that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means.  If
> > > >> > you are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a
> > > >> > human
> > right,
> > > >> > then
> > > >> you
> > > >> > have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ...Damon
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: "Angel"
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one must
> >
> > > >> > > resort
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > thievery.
> > > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv
> > > >> > > > shows on
> > > >> > > BitTorrent.  If the manufacturers and service providers of
> > > >> > > things like
> > > >> > TiVo
> > > >> > > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible
> > > >> > > then I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I
> > > >> > > can be part of this
> > > >> > here
> > > >> > > society.  Thank you.  And yes I'd be happy to see what a
> > > >> > > courtroom made
> > > >> of
> > > >> > > that too.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> > > >> > > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
> > > >> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for pirating
> >
> > > >> > > > music
> > > >> from
> > > >> > > the Net.  None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I
> > > >> > > am forced
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > steal music instead.  I'd like to go to court for that I think!
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > JT
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > > Damon Rose
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Here's another solution.  Why don't we just all sue Apple?
> > > >> > > > Or mail
> > > >> them
> > > >> > > in our droves?  All the faffing around we have to do to gain a
> > weeny
> > > >> > > bit
> > > >> > of
> > > >> > > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really
> > really
> > > >> bugs
> > > >> > > the hell out of me.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > >
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