[access-uk] Re: guide from software express

oh tell me about it, Mum swears at mine when she tries to use this thing on the net and wants to enter info for a search or whatever!! 

Trace
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Beasley" <p.beasley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: guide from software express
The one feature I like about system access, is that you don't have to press enter when you want toenter information into an edit field whichcompletely flummoxes sighted people if they are trying to use your computer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:31 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: guide from software express



Hi Ray,
I think System Access is now a screen reader. The reason is that it now has a virtual mouse, as well as all the other stuff, and it presents Windows to the user much as the other screen readers do. Have you tried SA? If not, 
you really should.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 29 August 2007 23:24
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: guide from software express

Steve, interesting comments, and if you've seen my thoughts on what I
understand Guide is, , then suite of self-voicing applications' would
be more accurate a description than 'screen reader'.

That said, wonder how you reckon System Access compares to screen
readers proper.  It seems to be a considerable saving over the big
three, so, in comparison, what do you lose out on by going the System
Access route?

I have a practical reason for asking, apart from simply being
interested.  .   a local organisation I have a little contact with is
wondering how relatively new users, maybe even first time users of IT
who are visually impaired, can be encouraged to use computers whilst
avoiding the relatively high cost of a full screen reader.  Comments
on the use of the internet are certainly pertinent as this new local
organisation does see the potential of computers for delivering their
news letter, and promoting on-line discussions, be these via email, or
even, maybe, voice chat.  From what's being said, Guide would probably
be something of a hindrance more than a help in this objective.

I've said this to give some idea of the context in which I'm probing
the cost effectiveness of System Access vs. a full screen reader.

From Ray
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-----Original Message-----
Steve Nutt


Hi Brendan,

I agree with all you say, but what bothers me more, is the price of
Guide.
It's about 400 quid, and I have had people, even of the older
generation,
who have literally hit Guide's limitations, and come to us to buy
Window-Eyes.  So having bought Guide, at 400 quid, they then outgrow
it, and
some people do you know, and then have to shell out another 500 quid
for
Window-Eyes, or even more for JAWS.  This is a heavy investment for
anyone,
if they are going to hit its limits.  With a "real" screen reader, you
will
not easily outgrow it, because it grows with you.  One can hardly say
this
of Guide, which is, at best, just a few self-talking applications.

All the best

Steve


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