[access-uk] Re: disability bill?

Jackie,

I must let you know, we have changed tonight's meeting place! The Friday
night bog crawl will now take place at Billy's local!
Billy believe me, Rambo would crap himself if she told him to! lol No
Jackie, not the bed of nails again!

Dave

Hey Ankers, you suggesting I'm a thug? (laughing).  I wouldn't dream of
doing such a thing ... I'm far more subtle than that if I wish to seek
revenge, trust me (smile).

Now go do some work (lol).

Jackie
Jackie

Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
Skype Name: Cairnsplace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ankers, Dave (UK)" <Dave.Ankers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: disability bill?


>
> Billy,
>
> Got a problem, no one will help, don't know who to call! you need the
> blind alternative Samaritans.
> We are a group of legally blind rugby players, all over 6 foot tall,
> lean and weigh around 18 stone each.
> We dress like Arni in Terminator with dark bleu block glasses armed
with
> iron long canes, with steel spiked roller balls.  Need to deal with a
> pub landlord, we'll just go in and wreck the joint! If he doesn't
> maintain the disabled toilet in full working order in future....We'll
be
> back!
>
> The Blind Alternative Samaritans
>
> Hi Billy
>
> Thank you.  But you must do what you feel comfortable with.  If you
> would rather not deal with it as I would, that's perfectly fine.
>
> I wish you all the best, whatever you decide to do.
>
> Jackie
> Jackie
>
> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TrueBlue & Proud" <billy72@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:01 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: disability bill?
>
>
>> Jackie, I realise you are a very special lady indeed.
>> The comments you make are so true, but I'm just not convinced a face
> to
>> face meeting with the manager is the best way to go on with this
>> complaint.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:47 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: disability bill?
>>
>>
>>> Billy, I promise you I'm no typical woman (smile).
>>>
>>> Honestly though, I don't think it's being unreasonable to want to go
> to
>>> the toilet without having to clamber over furniture and then clean
up
>
>>> before you unburden.  I would first gauge the manager's response and
> see
>>> what happens.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the Vi-Gen list is discussing access to disabled toilets
just
>
>>> now, so if you want to join in, send the usual blank Email to
>>> vi-genaccess-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> in the usual way.
>>>
>>> Jackie
>>>
>>> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
>>> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "TrueBlue & Proud" <billy72@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:35 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: disability bill?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jackie, tell you what, next time I decide to go to this particular
> pub.
>>>> I'll come take you along.
>>>>
>>>> This is just like a typical woman,
>>>> Billy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: disability bill?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> Well if you were me it wouldn't be difficult (smile).  I'd just go
> in
>>>>> the pub and ask the manager where he gets his beer from, or, if I
>>>>> fancied being a bit more subtle than that, I'd do a search on the
>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, seriously, your best bet would probably be to have a word in
> his
>>>>> lug and say something along the lines of: "Look mate I'm not being
>>>>> funny, but your disabled toilet is a complete hazard and isn't
>>>>> complying with the purposes for which it was designed.  Could I
> please
>>>>> make a few suggestions about how to prevent vandalism so that it
> makes
>>>>> it a safer environment for people with disabilities?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Go for it.  See what he says.  You're not being rude.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jackie
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
>>>>> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "TrueBlue & Proud" <billy72@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: disability bill?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jackie, finding out which brewery supplies the public house,
would
> be
>>>>>> quite difficult, would it not?.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is, I'm not sure how approachable the management
might
> be,
>>>>>> Billy
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:00 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: disability bill?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Billy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or, if the manager is unable to resolve the situation, the
> brewery
>>>>>>> where he is registered, or gets his booze from!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jackie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:32 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: disability bill?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Billy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could perhaps try calling your local Health and Safety
>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> George.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of TrueBlue &
>>>>>>>> Proud
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] disability bill?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi guys,
>>>>>>>> I experienced a really baffling thing last Saturday night. I
>>>>>>>> took my wife
>>>>>>>> Anne out for a little Karaoke at our local public house.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The pub in question has just been taken over and refurnished
>>>>>>>> by it's new
>>>>>>>> owners.
>>>>>>>> The new owners have spent a fortune getting the old place up
>>>>>>>> to scratch,
>>>>>>>> including putting in a disabled toilet, which I thought was
>>>>>>>> a really great
>>>>>>>> Idea. Until I went to use the facility later that evening.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all. My good lady had Informed me that the disabled
>>>>>>>> toilet was
>>>>>>>> being used by other customers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought at first, she was pulling my leg, but when I went
>>>>>>>> into the toilet,
>>>>>>>> I could tell right away, that my wife was quite correct in
>>>>>>>> what she was
>>>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    I was shocked to find the vandals had been in there as
>>>>>>>> well. There was
>>>>>>>> no running water, as the water tap was not working, so you
>>>>>>>> couldn't wash up
>>>>>>>> after you. Also the toilet bowl was damaged so much so, that
>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>> impossible for anyone to sit down and do what ever they had
>>>>>>>> to do, and of
>>>>>>>> course I had to try my best to clean up the filthy mess of
>>>>>>>> Urine sprayed
>>>>>>>> over the bowl itself.
>>>>>>>> If that wasn't bad enough, there were piles of bar room
>>>>>>>> tables and chairs
>>>>>>>> stored in there as well. I had to plough my way through them
>>>>>>>> on my way in
>>>>>>>> and out of the door.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't mind telling you all, I was a little shaken, when I
>>>>>>>> returned to my
>>>>>>>> wife Anne, so much so, she wanted to complain to the bar
>>>>>>>> staff there and
>>>>>>>> then, but I just wanted to try forget about what had just
>>>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just don't understand why there was not some kind of lock
>>>>>>>> on the disabled
>>>>>>>> toilet door. Which would mean any disabled person needing to
>>>>>>>> use the toilet,
>>>>>>>> would have to approach the bar staff for a key.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The best of it was. There was another Gents & Ladies toilet
>>>>>>>> in the bar room.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not really sure if there is anything in the disability
>>>>>>>> act that would
>>>>>>>> cover such a problem, but if not there should be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS. I tried to get in touch with the manager next day by
>>>>>>>> telephone, but
>>>>>>>> there wasn't a phone number available for the public house.
>>>>>>>> Really annoyed,
>>>>>>>> Billy & Anne
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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