[access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer covers blind people.
- From: "Peter Logue" <peterlogue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:02:13 -0500
Well, Philip. I have a few rubber mats in there, some padded wrist straps
bolted to the concrete wall, a few feather dusters and radio 1xtra..
No bed.
Peter
From beautiful Helensburgh on the Firth of Clyde.
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Philip Martin
Sent: 23 January 2006 16:50
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer
covers blind people.
Hi Peter,
Remember, it must not have a bed in it.
No more off topic or off colour posts, I promise.
Until the next time.
Philip
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Logue" <peterlogue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer
covers blind people.
> Ray wrote:
> Still, I wonder how many of us have a 'special room' where all our
> 'special needs' are housed. Or, is that the way it works?
>
> You betcha, Ray. I certainly have my, um, special room.
> LOLOLOLOL
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> I've mixed feelings about Trace's comments about blindness. Certainly
> Government ministers in the recent past have given the impression they
> regard
>
>
>
>
> From beautiful Helensburgh on the Firth of Clyde.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Ray's Home
> Sent: 23 January 2006 14:56
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer
> covers blind people.
>
> Philips post putting us right on the Council Tax reduction was very
> helpful.
> Thanks for that Phil.Still, I wonder how many of us have a 'special room'
> where all our 'special needs' are housed. Or, is that the way it works?
>
> I've mixed feelings about Trace's comments about blindness. Certainly
> Government ministers in the recent past have given the impression they
> regard visual impairment as somehow very secondary in its effects
> compared to physical impairment, but I think the truth of the matter
> is more complex and profound.
>
> We are profoundly hampered by things relating to communication needs,
> in my view, and this list plays its part in aring some of these
> issues. We do get some financial recompence, i.e. TV licence
> reduction, free directory enquiries, to name two. To my mind though
> there isn't nearly enough recognition of our needs, financial and
> technical, when it comes to computer access.
>
> I could also comment at length on how much our exclusion in mobility
> isn't nearly well enough recognized, but this is the wrong place for that.
>
> Its a funny old world though. Many, if not most Deaf people do not
> regard themselves as disabled, which I find very strange. (Not
> refering hear to deaf-blind people though.)
>
> Ray
>
> Personal emails: Email me at
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> | In the eyes of the public and certain official bodies blindness is
> | not a disability, we get treated second rate to just about anyone
> | with any other type of disability.
> |
> | Trace
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Philip Martin" <p.martin13@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:19 AM
> | Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
> | longer covers blind people.
> |
> |
> | > Hi all,
> | > I apologise for this off topic reply. I was concerned about the
> | > suggestion made on this list that blind persons who had qualified
> | > for the rates reduction scheme in the past would no longer qualify.
> | > I am sure some of us , myself included, were worried about this.
> | > I have spoken to the welfare rights section at AFBP with the
> | > following
> result.
> | > There has been no court decision that is relevant to blind people.
> | > The case referred to in an earlier posting on this list is in no
> | > way relevant to our case.
> | > The law has not changed.
> | > It is still true that some councils regard the scheme to be for
> | > people with 'physical' disabilities. They find the needs of a
> | > person needing a wheelchair or dialysis equipment etc. easier to
> | > quantify than a person needing a room to house all there v.I. gear.
> | > To reiterate. you must have a room that is adapted largely for
> | > the disabled person's use. In our case the adoption is computer
> | > and other necessary gear. It has to be in a separate room to
> | > avoid impacting others in the household, or them impacting on us.
> | > It must not be a bedroom, i.e. it must not contain a bed.
> | >
> | > I spent many months fighting my local council, Woking, to get this
> | > reduction and I would like to see everyone who may qualify also
> | > receiving it from there local council. Be aware that some
> | > councils are more ignorant than others.
> | >
> | > regards
> | > Philip Martin
> | > Woking Disable Access Group
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:48 PM
> | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
> | > longer covers blind people.
> | >
> | >
> | >> the discount depends on your tax band, i recommend getting in
> | >> touch with your council about this. hth Hope to hear from you soon.
> | >>
> | >> from Martin.
> | >>
> | >> Please email me at:
> | >>
> | >> m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> thanks.
> | >>
> | >> if you're interested in discussing everything soft toy animal
> | >> related, please visit my group at:
> | >>
> | >> http://groups.msn.com/thesofttoyanimalcollectorsgroup
> | >>
> | >> please visit my website:
> | >>
> | >> www.martin-wilsher.co.uk
> | >>
> | >> ----- Original Message -----
> | >> From: "Graham smith" <graham.smith577@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:45 PM
> | >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
> | >> longer covers blind people.
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> : Hi
> | >> :
> | >> : Never been aware of this, can you give me some idea of what
> | >> deduction off
> | >> : our tax is given, or was given.
> | >> :
> | >> : Graham
> | >> :
> | >> :
> | >> : -----Original Message-----
> | >> : From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> | >> On Behalf Of
> | >> : martin wilsher
> | >> : Sent: 20 January 2006 19:24
> | >> : To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >> : Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
> | >> longer
> | >> : covers blind people.
> | >> :
> | >> : it's all to do with this court ruling, I will ask around the
> | >> rnib and afb on
> | >> : monday to see waht can be done.
> | >> : ----- Original Message -----
> | >> : From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | >> : To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | >> : Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:44 PM
> | >> : Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
> | >> longer
> | >> : covers blind people.
> | >> :
> | >> :
> | >> :: Are your council not playing ball? ours tried to put us up a
> | >> band when my
> | >> :: Dad died, what the hell that had to do with the price of fish
> | >> I've no idea
> | >> :: and trust me, they regretted it when I was done with them!!
> | >> ::
> | >> :: Trace
> | >> ::
> | >> :: ----- Original Message -----
> | >> :: From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | >> :: To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | >> :: Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:46 PM
> | >> :: Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief
> | >> no longer
> | >> :: covers blind people.
> | >> ::
> | >> ::
> | >> :: > Hi Derek:
> | >> :: >
> | >> :: > I think a pc is not applicable here, as it is a computer,
> | >> and anyone has
> | >> :: > this in their homes now.
> | >> :: >
> | >> :: > I will talk to someone about this, and see where I stand on
> | >> it, though
> | >> : I'm
> | >> :: > prepared to lose my disabled relief as how can they tell I
> | >> have access
> | >> :: > technology on my pc? it's not overtly there, so a council
> | >> worker can't
> | >> :: > see
> | >> :: > it, so that's the way they work it.
> | >> :: >
> | >> :: > I will talk to rnib or Action for blind ppl shortly and see
> | >> where I get,
> | >> :: > though I don't know if I'll get anywhere with my council.
> | >> :: >
> | >> :: > thanks.----- Original Message -----
> | >> :: > From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | >> :: > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | >> :: > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:12 PM
> | >> :: > Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief
> | >> no longer
> | >> :: > covers blind people.
> | >> :: >
> | >> :: >
> | >> :: > : Hi Martin
> | >> :: > : > After sending in the form, I got a
> | >> :: > : >phone call, basically telling me that a computer in a
> | >> room with
> | >> : access
> | >> :: > : >technology loaded on it no longer qualified as a having
> | >> equipment
> | >> :: > : >in a room specially for the disabled person, as my pc
> | >> wasn't overtly
> | >> :: > : >specialist,
> | >> :: > :
> | >> :: > :
> | >> :: > : Take look here:
> | >> :: > : http://tinyurl.co.uk/ptm3
> | >> :: > : the property must have one of the following:
> | >> :: > : a room that has been modified for your, or the disabled
> | >> person's sole
> | >> :: > use
> | >> :: > :
> | >> :: > : an additional bathroom, lavatory or kitchen to meet
> | >> your/their needs
> | >> :: > : extra space inside the property to allow a wheelchair to
> | >> be used - if
> | >> :: > the
> | >> :: > : wheelchair is for outside use only, this will not count
> | >> :: > : I would suggest ;you consult a welfare rights officer
> | >> like at
> | >> : RNIB
> | >> :: > : and see if the council has interpreted the rules
> | >> correctly
> | >> :: > : as you do have right of appeal.
> | >> :: > : I mean this bit is certainly open opinion:
> | >> :: > : "a room that has been modified for your, or the disabled
> | >> person's sole
> | >> :: > use"
> | >> :: > :
> | >> :: > : How doe council define the term:
> | >> :: > : "modified for your, or the disabled person's sole use"
> | >> :: > :
> | >> :: > : Regards,
> | >> :: > : Derek
> | >> :: > :
> |
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