[access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer covers blind people.

I have also spoken to rnib about this, and in my personal case, as I live 
alone, i have no one for my access tec to impact upon, so though my pc is in 
one place, i could, quite easily, move it to another place in the house.  I 
don't think I will get a discount this time round.  I agree with earlier 
posts that vi ppl are classed as second rate citizens when regard is paid to 
their disability.  I will just have to save up the 150 pounds a year which 
the council will want extra from april this year.

.---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:56 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer 
covers blind people.


: Philips post putting us right on the Council Tax reduction was very 
helpful.  Thanks for that Phil.Still, I wonder how many of us have a 
'special room' where all our 'special needs'  are housed.  Or, is that the 
way it works?
:
: I've mixed feelings about Trace's comments about blindness.  Certainly 
Government ministers in the recent past have given the impression they 
regard visual impairment as somehow very secondary in its effects compared 
to physical impairment, but I think the truth of the matter is more complex 
and profound.
:
: We are profoundly hampered by things relating to communication needs, in 
my view, and this list plays its part in aring some of these issues.  We do 
get some financial recompence, i.e. TV licence reduction, free directory 
enquiries, to name two.  To my mind though there isn't nearly enough 
recognition of our needs, financial and technical, when it comes to computer 
access.
:
: I could also comment at length on how much our exclusion in mobility isn't 
nearly well enough recognized, but this is the wrong place for that.
:
: Its a funny old world though.  Many, if not most Deaf people do not regard 
themselves as disabled, which I find very strange.  (Not refering hear to 
deaf-blind people though.)
:
: Ray
:
: Personal emails:  Email me at
: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
:
: ----- Original Message ----- 
: From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:
: | In the eyes of the public and certain official bodies blindness is not a
: | disability, we get treated second rate to just about anyone with any 
other
: | type of disability.
: |
: | Trace
: |
: | ----- Original Message ----- 
: | From: "Philip Martin" <p.martin13@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:19 AM
: | Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer
: | covers blind people.
: |
: |
: | > Hi all,
: | > I apologise for this off topic reply.  I was concerned about the
: | > suggestion made on this list that blind persons who had qualified for 
the
: | > rates reduction scheme in the past would no longer qualify.  I am sure
: | > some of us , myself included, were worried about this.  I have spoken 
to
: | > the welfare rights section at AFBP with the following result.
: | > There has been no court decision that is relevant to blind people. 
The
: | > case referred to in an earlier posting on this list is in no way 
relevant
: | > to our case.
: | > The law has not changed.
: | > It is still true that some councils regard the scheme to be for people
: | > with 'physical' disabilities.  They find the needs of a person needing 
a
: | > wheelchair or dialysis equipment etc. easier to quantify than a person
: | > needing a room to house all there v.I. gear.
: | >    To reiterate. you must have a room that is adapted largely for the
: | > disabled person's use.  In our case the adoption is computer and other
: | > necessary gear.  It has to be in a separate room to avoid impacting 
others
: | > in the household, or them impacting on us.  It must not be a bedroom,
: | > i.e. it must not contain a bed.
: | >
: | > I spent many months fighting my local council, Woking, to get this
: | > reduction and I would like to see everyone who may qualify also 
receiving
: | > it from there local council.  Be aware that some councils are more
: | > ignorant than others.
: | >
: | > regards
: | > Philip Martin
: | > Woking Disable Access Group
: | > ----- Original Message ----- 
: | > From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:48 PM
: | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no longer
: | > covers blind people.
: | >
: | >
: | >> the discount depends on your tax band, i recommend getting in touch 
with
: | >> your council about this.  hth
: | >> Hope to hear from you soon.
: | >>
: | >> from Martin.
: | >>
: | >> Please email me at:
: | >>
: | >> m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: | >>
: | >>
: | >> thanks.
: | >>
: | >> if you're interested in discussing everything soft toy animal 
related,
: | >> please visit my group at:
: | >>
: | >> http://groups.msn.com/thesofttoyanimalcollectorsgroup
: | >>
: | >> please visit my website:
: | >>
: | >> www.martin-wilsher.co.uk
: | >>
: | >> ----- Original Message ----- 
: | >> From: "Graham smith" <graham.smith577@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:45 PM
: | >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no 
longer
: | >> covers blind people.
: | >>
: | >>
: | >> : Hi
: | >> :
: | >> : Never been aware of this, can you give me some idea of what 
deduction
: | >> off
: | >> : our tax is given,  or was given.
: | >> :
: | >> : Graham
: | >> :
: | >> :
: | >> : -----Original Message-----
: | >> : From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
: | >> Behalf
: | >> Of
: | >> : martin wilsher
: | >> : Sent: 20 January 2006 19:24
: | >> : To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: | >> : Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no 
longer
: | >> : covers blind people.
: | >> :
: | >> : it's all to do with this court ruling, I will ask around the rnib 
and
: | >> afb
: | >> on
: | >> : monday to see waht can be done.
: | >> : ----- Original Message -----
: | >> : From: "Spring Flower" <spring.flower@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> : To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> : Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:44 PM
: | >> : Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no 
longer
: | >> : covers blind people.
: | >> :
: | >> :
: | >> :: Are your council not playing ball? ours tried to put us up a band 
when
: | >> my
: | >> :: Dad died, what the hell that had to do with the price of fish I've 
no
: | >> idea
: | >> :: and trust me, they regretted it when I was done with them!!
: | >> ::
: | >> :: Trace
: | >> ::
: | >> :: ----- Original Message -----
: | >> :: From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> :: To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> :: Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:46 PM
: | >> :: Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no 
longer
: | >> :: covers blind people.
: | >> ::
: | >> ::
: | >> :: > Hi Derek:
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: > I think a pc is not applicable here, as it is a computer, and 
anyone
: | >> has
: | >> :: > this in their homes now.
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: > I will talk to someone about this, and see where I stand on it,
: | >> though
: | >> : I'm
: | >> :: > prepared to lose my disabled relief as how can they tell I have
: | >> access
: | >> :: > technology on my pc?  it's not overtly there, so a council 
worker
: | >> can't
: | >> :: > see
: | >> :: > it, so that's the way they work it.
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: > I will talk to rnib or Action for blind ppl shortly and see 
where I
: | >> get,
: | >> :: > though I don't know if I'll get anywhere with my council.
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: > thanks.----- Original Message -----
: | >> :: > From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> :: > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: | >> :: > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:12 PM
: | >> :: > Subject: [access-uk] Re: council tax disabled persons relief no
: | >> longer
: | >> :: > covers blind people.
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: >
: | >> :: > : Hi Martin
: | >> :: > : > After sending in the form, I got a
: | >> :: > : >phone call, basically telling me that a computer in a room 
with
: | >> : access
: | >> :: > : >technology loaded on it no longer qualified as a having 
equipment
: | >> :: > : >in a room specially for the disabled person, as my pc wasn't
: | >> overtly
: | >> :: > : >specialist,
: | >> :: > :
: | >> :: > :
: | >> :: > : Take look here:
: | >> :: > : http://tinyurl.co.uk/ptm3
: | >> :: > : the property must have one of the following:
: | >> :: > : a room that has been modified for your, or the disabled 
person's
: | >> sole
: | >> :: > use
: | >> :: > :
: | >> :: > : an additional bathroom, lavatory or kitchen to meet your/their
: | >> needs
: | >> :: > : extra space inside the property to allow a wheelchair to be 
used -
: | >> if
: | >> :: > the
: | >> :: > : wheelchair is for outside use only, this will not count
: | >> :: > : I would suggest ;you  consult  a  welfare rights  officer 
like at
: | >> : RNIB
: | >> :: > : and see  if the  council has interpreted the rules  correctly
: | >> :: > : as you  do have right of  appeal.
: | >> :: > : I mean this bit is  certainly open opinion:
: | >> :: > : "a room that has been modified for your, or the disabled 
person's
: | >> sole
: | >> :: > use"
: | >> :: > :
: | >> :: > : How doe  council  define the term:
: | >> :: > : "modified for your, or the disabled person's sole use"
: | >> :: > :
: | >> :: > : Regards,
: | >> :: > : Derek
: | >> :: > :
: |
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