Well Terry in that case why not just flood the market with the most expensive and very good braille displays? Why have these cheaper models then?
Incidentally in relation to Braille and a blind jperson demonstrating the braille displays, when I did a Rehabilitation Worker course, out of 12 people on the course, I was the only visually impaired one, thus 11 sighted people to teach braille to blind people. Again if I am correct, you run your own company and I would expect you have access to top quality equipment too. I had hoped to have Dragon, Jaws and apparently some intermediate programme to run Jaws with dragon, in fact I had Jaws. When the Open University heard the price of the equipment they declined saying that they would pay for sighted support as this would be cheaper. I had no say in the matter, assessment or not! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Clasper" <terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:43 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display
Good on ya Jackie and what is this priveledged nonsense all about anyway? -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf OfJackie Cairns Sent: 27 January 2011 12:38 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display Eleanor, I am no more privileged than you or anyone else who is blind and in themarket for equipment, whether it be ATW, DSA or other sources. I just do myhomework and know what I need to suit my requirements. What you also may not realise is that my back condition, which is becoming ever more seriousand painful, has to be taken into account when it comes to ergonomic design and comfort. I'm not going into it because this isn't the forum for it, butwhat you choose regarding Braille isn't just about having any display. In my case, it has to be about how close to me the display can be, where mykeyboard can sit in relation to that display, and weight etc. I also need adisplay that will work with anything I wish to use as a screenreader, including VoiceOver for the Mac.So, taking all these permutations into account, I'm not privileged, just hada good, proper assessment that was backed up with medical evidence. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf OfEleanor Burke Sent: 27 January 2011 10:18 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display Hey Jackie now you are the one going on here!!! Personally I love the Freedom Scientific products. However, the Focus Blue has its limitationswith regard to N97 Mini in that I cannot use it!!!! However, it works finewith other handsets. From what I can tell by reading your communications, you are or appear to be in a very privileged position of havingpeople/assessors who can provide the most expensive display for you, if only we all were so privileged. Indeed give me seven plus grand and I'll go foryour choice too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:05 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille displayYou mentioned Sight and Sound Glenn, I did not. But, whether you like it or not, people don't care for Freedom Scientific, and that is unfortunate for you as their main UK dealer. I know ATW will usually go with the cheaper option and that it happens to be the Focus in many instances. But people do have a right to contest this view if they feel the display doesn't suit their specific needs. I have heard you take the view that one display feels much like another, but this is simply not true for lots of reasons. Freedom gave me the run-around over my PowerBraille not working when they decided to remove the serial component from its driver from JAWS 11 and above, and I would not buy a Focus on the strength of that alone, far less put up with its limitations and ergonomic design not being suitable for me. It isn't anything personal, and I am not questioning the support Sight and Sound offers, even though you don't have a resident blind employee there to test out your Braille hardware. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Glenn Tookey Sent: 27 January 2011 09:50 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display Diplomatically put Jackie, but Sight and Sound Technology are not Freedom Scientific and we do our level best to look after our customers, irrespective of Freedoms' view of life. The Focus 80 is £5995, but does not have all of the features of some of the other more expensive displays. It is reliable and does a good job for those who have purchased it. Regards Glenn -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: 27 January 2011 08:35 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display Hi Will Let me just put it as simply and as diplomatically as this. Alva and the dealers who sell their products are not Freedom Scientific and the way they work. It's a bit like buying a car I suppose. Some are better than others, and the more you spend, the better it's likely to be. I don't want to get into a cost debate, it's all been said and we all have our views on it. I'm merely pointing out that you could say to your assessor that you want something else for whatever reason you have the imagination to come up with. If you are getting a Focus, then good luck if that does what you need it to do. It's an ok display, but not for me. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: 26 January 2011 17:51 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display Should hope they ok when they getting 4 plus K off you smile On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:44, Jackie Cairns wrote:Yep, sure does Terry. Simply the best display I've ever had the privilege to work with far less own. Sometimes, though not always, you get what you pay for. And the guys who sell them are ok too,(smiles).Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry Clasper Sent: 26 January 2011 16:38 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display Agree entirely without a doubt the Alva represents quality every which way you look, whether you need a 40 or 80 cell display. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: 26 January 2011 15:47 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display I guess I'd better clarify before the vultures start hacking at me!(grin).The Focus is heavy, isn't a patch on the Alva in terms of Braille quality for long document reading, and has the most diabolical plastic tray on the back of it on which your keyboard or laptop is supposed to sit. Yes you can remove it, but it's awful. The display doesn't supportBluetooth either.Still, enjoy Will if that's what you are ending up with. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Wood (G3YXX) Sent: 26 January 2011 15:27 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display Quite agree -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:03 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display Yuck, rather you than me then!! Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: 26 January 2011 12:57 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display they getting me the focus 80 for work On 26 Jan 2011, at 12:52, Jackie Cairns wrote:Hi Will An 80 cell display is indeed one line of Braille, and it isn't that long because you can use keys on both ends of it to read with your left or right hands to advance the text. An 80 cell is much better in myopinion on a PC.And if you want a recommendation, go for the Alva BC680 from Optelec. It has USB and Bluetooth, and can do all sorts of nice things like allow you to split the display so you have a portion of it for what is on your PC screen using USB, and another portion connected via Bluetooth to your phone. I'm not saying you would always want to do that, I certainly don't, but it's a feature. And I have to say theBraille on the Alva is second to none.Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: 26 January 2011 12:42 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] braille display hi all does anyone know, is an 80 cell display just 1 huge line of braille please, or is it 2 physical lines of 40 characters? 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