[access-uk] Re: braille display
- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:26:58 -0000
They do have some really lovely people working at S and S, and I would never
say different. But nobody has a real hand on Braille there who actually
works in-house. They engage people to do Braille training around the
country and, if this works, then that's their prorogative. I still think
there is no substitute though for someone with a proper working knowledge of
Braille being able to test out equipment and being employed on the premises
for a company for whom its merchandise is intended. It's just my view,
nothing personal, no offence intended. I just feel very strongly about it
that's all.
Anyway I wish Will well in his quest to get the right display for him, and
if this ends up being a Focus, then so be it. At the end of the day, I am
happy with what I have and that's what matters.
Kind Regards,
Jackie Cairns
J&M Work-Ability
jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.work-ability.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Ankers, Dave (UK)
Sent: 27 January 2011 10:15
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display
No blind employee to test out their equipment!
How short sighted is that!
Cheers
Dave
You mentioned Sight and Sound Glenn, I did not. But, whether you like it or
not, people don't care for Freedom Scientific, and that is unfortunate for
you as their main UK dealer.
I know ATW will usually go with the cheaper option and that it happens to be
the Focus in many instances. But people do have a right to contest this
view if they feel the display doesn't suit their specific needs. I have
heard you take the view that one display feels much like another, but this
is simply not true for lots of reasons.
Freedom gave me the run-around over my PowerBraille not working when they
decided to remove the serial component from its driver from JAWS 11 and
above, and I would not buy a Focus on the strength of that alone, far less
put up with its limitations and ergonomic design not being suitable for me.
It isn't anything personal, and I am not questioning the support Sight and
Sound offers, even though you don't have a resident blind employee there to
test out your Braille hardware.
Kind Regards,
Jackie Cairns
J&M Work-Ability
jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.work-ability.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Glenn Tookey
Sent: 27 January 2011 09:50
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display
Diplomatically put Jackie, but Sight and Sound Technology are not Freedom
Scientific and we do our level best to look after our customers,
irrespective of Freedoms' view of life.
The Focus 80 is £5995, but does not have all of the features of some of the
other more expensive displays. It is reliable and does a good job for those
who have purchased it.
Regards
Glenn
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jackie Cairns
Sent: 27 January 2011 08:35
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display
Hi Will
Let me just put it as simply and as diplomatically as this. Alva and the
dealers who sell their products are not Freedom Scientific and the way they
work. It's a bit like buying a car I suppose. Some are better than others,
and the more you spend, the better it's likely to be. I don't want to get
into a cost debate, it's all been said and we all have our views on it. I'm
merely pointing out that you could say to your assessor that you want
something else for whatever reason you have the imagination to come up with.
If you are getting a Focus, then good luck if that does what you need it to
do. It's an ok display, but not for me.
Kind Regards,
Jackie Cairns
J&M Work-Ability
jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.work-ability.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
william lomas
Sent: 26 January 2011 17:51
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display
Should hope they ok when they getting 4 plus K off you smile
On 26 Jan 2011, at 17:44, Jackie Cairns wrote:
> Yep, sure does Terry. Simply the best display I've ever had the
> privilege to work with far less own. Sometimes, though not always,
> you get what you pay for. And the guys who sell them are ok too,
(smiles).
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
> J&M Work-Ability
>
> jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.work-ability.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Terry Clasper
> Sent: 26 January 2011 16:38
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display
>
> Agree entirely without a doubt the Alva represents quality every which
> way you look, whether you need a 40 or 80 cell display.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
> Sent: 26 January 2011 15:47
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display
>
> I guess I'd better clarify before the vultures start hacking at me!
(grin).
>
> The Focus is heavy, isn't a patch on the Alva in terms of Braille
> quality for long document reading, and has the most diabolical plastic
> tray on the back of it on which your keyboard or laptop is supposed to
> sit. Yes you can remove it, but it's awful. The display doesn't
> support
Bluetooth either.
>
> Still, enjoy Will if that's what you are ending up with.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
> J&M Work-Ability
>
> jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.work-ability.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of David Wood (G3YXX)
> Sent: 26 January 2011 15:27
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display
>
> Quite agree
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:03 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display
>
> Yuck, rather you than me then!!
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
> J&M Work-Ability
>
> jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.work-ability.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: 26 January 2011 12:57
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille display
>
> they getting me the focus 80 for work
>
> On 26 Jan 2011, at 12:52, Jackie Cairns wrote:
>
>> Hi Will
>>
>> An 80 cell display is indeed one line of Braille, and it isn't that
>> long because you can use keys on both ends of it to read with your
>> left or right hands to advance the text. An 80 cell is much better
>> in my
> opinion on a PC.
>>
>> And if you want a recommendation, go for the Alva BC680 from Optelec.
>> It has USB and Bluetooth, and can do all sorts of nice things like
>> allow you to split the display so you have a portion of it for what
>> is on your PC screen using USB, and another portion connected via
>> Bluetooth to your phone. I'm not saying you would always want to do
>> that, I certainly don't, but it's a feature. And I have to say the
> Braille on the Alva is second to none.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>>
>> jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of william lomas
>> Sent: 26 January 2011 12:42
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] braille display
>>
>> hi all does anyone know, is an 80 cell display just 1 huge line of
>> braille please, or is it 2 physical lines of 40 characters?
>> I assume if one big line that be a lot of stretching to read it smile
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