Grahm, you appear not to have read my previous post. There I was talking about ATMs with in-built speech and where the numeric keypad on the machine is used for accessing all menu items. If I can track the link down where this is demonstrated I'll post the link in another message. Ray Personal emails: Email me at mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:26 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: accessibility of cash machines was Re: Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin : Hi Ray. : : I suppose the main issue here is security both in terms of others being able : to pick up the bluetooth signal and the difficulty of holding your phone in : one hand while trying to get cash out with the other. : : I think therefore it is probably better if the machines talk. This has been : done in phone boxes. the modern BT jobs used to talk about 10 years ago. A : talk button got them talking but this seemed to be a rather well hidden : secret. : : Cheers : : Graham : Graham Page : : Mobile: 07753 607980 : Fax: 0870 706 2773 : Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx : MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx : Skype: gabriel_mcbird : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> : To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> : Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:07 PM : Subject: [access-uk] Re: accessibility of cash machines was Re: Re: Fw: : Disabled People and Chip and Pin : : : Just a point of information Here. I believe that talking ATMs use the main : numeric keypad for everything. Each number becomes a menu item when you use : your cash card. I'm not sure how this works now, but I recall hearing a : demonstration of one of the trials in Scotland and I believe the keys : situated : either side of the screen were not used at all. I think prompts, rather : like : in an automated phone menu, tell you which number key does what. : : I very much agree with comments that campaigning efforts would be much : better : focused on physical design of EPOS machines, and taking up the challenge of : inaccessable ATMs etc, rather than trying to defend the old signiture : system, : and by implication, the levels of fraud that went along with it. : : FinlayFinaly, Steve's comment on mobile phones becoming a sort of access : device : did occur to me while I was writing my previous post to this list. I guess : that as they are so often Blue Tooth enabled and some have WI FI access to I : believe, this might yet prove to be a logical development in bringing about : access about an area your moving through. Let's hope something like this : does : happen. : Ray : : Personal emails: Email me at : mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx : : ----- Original Message ----- : :: Hi. :: :: Thinking about this one, it would be awkward at the moment. :: :: You would need to be using a cash point and holding your mobile as well. :: You would be a mugger's dream. :: :: This being said, I don't see why the banks could not have accessible :: documents on their websites containing step by step guides on how to use :: their own machines. That way if you knew which machine you would have to :: use you could download information about that machine either at home : before :: you set out or on your mobile while you are out. This could apply to much :: more than cash machines of course. it could work with fast ticket : machines :: and vending machines too. :: :: This is not of course perfect as not everyone has access to the web or wap :: pages and remembering long sequences of keys can be difficult but in the :: short term, accessible documents with information about key sequences : would :: be a start and a positive step forward. :: Graham Page :: : :: Skype: gabriel_mcbird :: ----- Original Message ----- :: From: "kevin and emma" <kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx> :: :: :: hi, if the speech could be incorporated into a mobile, then fine. but it :: would seem like a lot of fiddle and fuss (possibly even expense) just to : put :: in a 4 digit pin code to do your weekly shopping! smile. now if it could : be :: developed to cover other, currently inaccessible/awkward facilities, then :: i'm all for it. cash machines, those self service ticket machines on train :: stations, things like that, then it would be a real step forward! :: Kevin - owner of the audyssey gamers discussion list at: :: www.audyssey.org :: contact me via email/msn: :: kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx : :: ----- Original Message ----- :: From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :: :: :: > Hi Kevin, :: > :: > I agree with you regarding Chip and Pin, I much prefer it. However, :: speech :: > could come from any number of places. How 'bout your Talks-enabled : mobile :: > phone? Imagine having a Bluetooth transmitter on the terminal, which : sent :: > the information directly to your phone? Talks talking to you in an :: > earpiece? I don't know whether it is going to ever happen, but this : would :: > be by no means technologically impossible. And you always carry your :: phone :: > around. Forget special boxes, I think this would be the way to go. :: > :: > All the best :: > -- :: > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. : :: > :: > -----Original Message----- :: > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf :: Of :: > kevin and emma : : :: > hi, and of course this little box will be free? ... not! not too mention :: > another thing to carry around with us. and what would happen if you lost :: > this box? or it developed a fault? or for some reason it wouldn't work : and :: > you had a queue of 20 people behind you? you'd have to ask the cashier : to :: > help which you can do already for free! in other words, you'd be back to :: > square one anyway, i really don't see why people have a problem with :: asking :: > for help when it's required!if anything it's easier with chip and pin. : no :: > problem with having to ask where the line is, double checking to make : sure :: > your in the right place, hoping that the pen works first time and that :: your :: > signatures readable etc etc. :: > it doesn't matter what technology is developed, or what improvement are :: made :: > to chip and pin, not everyone will agree with it. i for one aprove of it :: and :: > it's just a pity it took so long to come about. good riddance to the : pen! :: > smile. :: > Kevin - owner of the audyssey gamers discussion list at: : :: > ----- Original Message ----- :: > From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx> :: > :: > :: > > > what is the point of speech if it just says star? :: > > :: > > It tells you when to enter your pin, confirms that you have entered : the :: > > digits correctly, tells you if you when you an remove your card or if :: you :: > > have made a mistake etc. :: > > :: > > Anyway I remember reading something a while ago suggesting that in the :: > > future speech on units like this might come from some sort of speech : box :: > we :: > > carry with us, rather than from the units themselves, which would all :: use :: > a :: > > common standard to communicate with the speech box. we shall see... :: > > :: > > James :: > > : : ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- : ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] : ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: : ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : ** and in the Subject line type : ** unsubscribe : ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the : ** immediately-following link:- : ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] : ** or send a message, to : ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq : : : __________ NOD32 1.1460 (20060328) Information __________ : : This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. : http://www.eset.com : : : ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- : ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] : ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: : ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : ** and in the Subject line type : ** unsubscribe : ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the : ** immediately-following link:- : ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] : ** or send a message, to : ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq : : : __________ NOD32 1.1460 (20060328) Information __________ : : This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. : http://www.eset.com : : ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq