[access-uk] Re: accessibility of cash machines was Re: Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin

Grahm, you appear not to have read my previous post. There I was talking about 
ATMs with in-built speech and where the numeric keypad on the machine is used 
for accessing all menu items.  If I can track the link down where this is 
demonstrated I'll post the link in another message.
Ray

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:26 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: accessibility of cash machines was Re: Re: Fw: 
Disabled People and Chip and Pin


: Hi Ray.
:
: I suppose the main issue here is security both in terms of others being able
: to pick up the bluetooth signal and the difficulty of holding your phone in
: one hand while trying to get cash out with the other.
:
: I think therefore it is probably better if the machines talk.  This has been
: done in phone boxes.  the modern BT jobs used to talk about 10 years ago.  A
: talk button got them talking but this seemed to be a rather well hidden
: secret.
:
: Cheers
:
: Graham
: Graham Page
:
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: ----- Original Message ----- 
: From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:07 PM
: Subject: [access-uk] Re: accessibility of cash machines was Re: Re: Fw:
: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
:
:
: Just a point of information Here.  I believe that talking ATMs use the main
: numeric keypad for everything.  Each number becomes a menu item when you use
: your cash card.  I'm not sure how this works now, but I recall hearing a
: demonstration of one of the trials in Scotland and I believe the keys
: situated
: either side of the screen were not used at all.  I think prompts, rather
: like
: in an automated phone menu, tell you which number key does what.
:
: I very much agree with comments that campaigning efforts would be much
: better
: focused on physical design of EPOS machines, and taking up the challenge of
: inaccessable ATMs etc, rather than trying to defend the old signiture
: system,
: and by implication, the levels of fraud that went along with it.
:
: FinlayFinaly, Steve's comment on mobile phones becoming a sort of access
: device
: did occur to me while I was writing my previous post to this list.  I guess
: that as they are so often Blue Tooth enabled and some have WI FI access to I
: believe, this might yet prove to be a logical development in bringing about
: access about an area your moving through.  Let's hope something like this
: does
: happen.
: Ray
:
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: ----- Original Message ----- 
:
:: Hi.
::
:: Thinking about this one, it would be awkward at the moment.
::
:: You would need to be using a cash point and holding your mobile as well.
:: You would be a mugger's dream.
::
:: This being said, I don't see why the banks could not have accessible
:: documents on their websites containing step by step guides on how to use
:: their own machines.  That way if you knew which machine you would have to
:: use you could download information about that machine either at home
: before
:: you set out or on your mobile while you are out.  This could apply to much
:: more than cash machines of course.  it could work with fast ticket
: machines
:: and vending machines too.
::
:: This is not of course perfect as not everyone has access to the web or wap
:: pages and remembering long sequences of keys can be difficult but in the
:: short term, accessible documents with information about key sequences
: would
:: be a start and a positive step forward.
:: Graham Page
::
:
:: Skype: gabriel_mcbird
:: ----- Original Message ----- 
:: From: "kevin and emma" <kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
::
::
:: hi, if the speech could be incorporated into a mobile, then fine. but it
:: would seem like a lot of fiddle and fuss (possibly even expense) just to
: put
:: in a 4 digit pin code to do your weekly shopping! smile. now if it could
: be
:: developed to cover other, currently inaccessible/awkward facilities, then
:: i'm all for it. cash machines, those self service ticket machines on train
:: stations, things like that, then it would be a real step forward!
:: Kevin - owner of the audyssey gamers discussion list at:
:: www.audyssey.org
:: contact me via email/msn:
:: kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
:
:: ----- Original Message ----- 
:: From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
::
::
:: > Hi Kevin,
:: >
:: > I agree with you regarding Chip and Pin, I much prefer it.  However,
:: speech
:: > could come from any number of places.  How 'bout your Talks-enabled
: mobile
:: > phone?  Imagine having a Bluetooth transmitter on the terminal, which
: sent
:: > the information directly to your phone?  Talks talking to you in an
:: > earpiece?  I don't know whether it is going to ever happen, but this
: would
:: > be by no means technologically impossible.  And you always carry your
:: phone
:: > around.  Forget special boxes, I think this would be the way to go.
:: >
:: > All the best
:: > --
:: > Computer Room Services:  the long cane for blind computer users.
:
:: >
:: > -----Original Message-----
:: > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
:: Of
:: > kevin and emma
:
:
:: > hi, and of course this little box will be free? ... not! not too mention
:: > another thing to carry around with us. and what would happen if you lost
:: > this box? or it developed a fault? or for some reason it wouldn't work
: and
:: > you had a queue of 20 people behind you? you'd have to ask the cashier
: to
:: > help which you can do already for free! in other words, you'd be back to
:: > square one anyway, i really don't see why people have a problem with
:: asking
:: > for help when it's required!if anything it's easier with chip and pin.
: no
:: > problem with having to ask where the line is, double checking to make
: sure
:: > your in the right place, hoping that the pen works first time and that
:: your
:: > signatures readable etc etc.
:: > it doesn't matter what technology is developed, or what improvement are
:: made
:: > to chip and pin, not everyone will agree with it. i for one aprove of it
:: and
:: > it's just a pity it took so long to come about. good riddance to the
: pen!
:: > smile.
:: > Kevin - owner of the audyssey gamers discussion list at:
:
:: > ----- Original Message -----
:: > From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >
:: >
:: > > > what is the point of speech if it just says star?
:: > >
:: > > It tells you when to enter your pin, confirms that you have entered
: the
:: > > digits correctly, tells you if you when you an remove your card or if
:: you
:: > > have made a mistake etc.
:: > >
:: > > Anyway I remember reading something a while ago suggesting that in the
:: > > future speech on units like this might come from some sort of speech
: box
:: > we
:: > > carry with us, rather than from the units themselves, which would all
:: use
:: > a
:: > > common standard to communicate with the speech box.  we shall see...
:: > >
:: > > James
:: > >
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