[access-uk] Re: accessibility of cash machines was Re: Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin

this is what some companies call making their machines accessible though 
isn't it.  it's all well and good putting dots on the five, enter key etc, 
but you still can't use the meat of the machine, as that's controled by 
inaccessible buttons either side of the screen, or worse, by a touchscreen.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kevin and emma" <kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:11 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: accessibility of cash machines was Re: Re: Fw: 
Disabled People and Chip and Pin


: hi, i came across an interesting one a couple of weeks ago. i used a cash
: machine, in warwick service station from memory. i discovered that the
: machine had braille on it. great i thought,  until i realised the braille
: was on the slots for your card, your receipt and your money. these aren't
: much use unless you can use the machine itself! smile.
: Kevin - owner of the audyssey gamers discussion list at:
: www.audyssey.org
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: kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
: ----- Original Message ----- 
: From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 10:01 PM
: Subject: [access-uk] accessibility of cash machines was Re: Re: Fw: 
Disabled
: People and Chip and Pin
:
:
: > Hi.
: >
: > Thinking about this one, it would be awkward at the moment.
: >
: > You would need to be using a cash point and holding your mobile as well.
: > You would be a mugger's dream.
: >
: > This being said, I don't see why the banks could not have accessible
: > documents on their websites containing step by step guides on how to use
: > their own machines.  That way if you knew which machine you would have 
to
: > use you could download information about that machine either at home
: before
: > you set out or on your mobile while you are out.  This could apply to 
much
: > more than cash machines of course.  it could work with fast ticket
: machines
: > and vending machines too.
: >
: > This is not of course perfect as not everyone has access to the web or 
wap
: > pages and remembering long sequences of keys can be difficult but in the
: > short term, accessible documents with information about key sequences
: would
: > be a start and a positive step forward.
: > Graham Page
: >
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: > ----- Original Message ----- 
: > From: "kevin and emma" <kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:53 PM
: > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
: >
: >
: > hi, if the speech could be incorporated into a mobile, then fine. but it
: > would seem like a lot of fiddle and fuss (possibly even expense) just to
: put
: > in a 4 digit pin code to do your weekly shopping! smile. now if it could
: be
: > developed to cover other, currently inaccessible/awkward facilities, 
then
: > i'm all for it. cash machines, those self service ticket machines on 
train
: > stations, things like that, then it would be a real step forward!
: > Kevin - owner of the audyssey gamers discussion list at:
: > www.audyssey.org
: > contact me via email/msn:
: > kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
: > ----- Original Message ----- 
: > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:50 PM
: > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
: >
: >
: > > Hi Kevin,
: > >
: > > I agree with you regarding Chip and Pin, I much prefer it.  However,
: > speech
: > > could come from any number of places.  How 'bout your Talks-enabled
: mobile
: > > phone?  Imagine having a Bluetooth transmitter on the terminal, which
: sent
: > > the information directly to your phone?  Talks talking to you in an
: > > earpiece?  I don't know whether it is going to ever happen, but this
: would
: > > be by no means technologically impossible.  And you always carry your
: > phone
: > > around.  Forget special boxes, I think this would be the way to go.
: > >
: > > All the best
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: > > -----Original Message-----
: > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf
: > Of
: > > kevin and emma
: > > Sent: 28 March 2006 15:00
: > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
: > >
: > > hi, and of course this little box will be free? ... not! not too 
mention
: > > another thing to carry around with us. and what would happen if you 
lost
: > > this box? or it developed a fault? or for some reason it wouldn't work
: and
: > > you had a queue of 20 people behind you? you'd have to ask the cashier
: to
: > > help which you can do already for free! in other words, you'd be back 
to
: > > square one anyway, i really don't see why people have a problem with
: > asking
: > > for help when it's required!if anything it's easier with chip and pin.
: no
: > > problem with having to ask where the line is, double checking to make
: sure
: > > your in the right place, hoping that the pen works first time and that
: > your
: > > signatures readable etc etc.
: > > it doesn't matter what technology is developed, or what improvement 
are
: > made
: > > to chip and pin, not everyone will agree with it. i for one aprove of 
it
: > and
: > > it's just a pity it took so long to come about. good riddance to the
: pen!
: > > smile.
: > > Kevin - owner of the audyssey gamers discussion list at:
: > > www.audyssey.org
: > > contact me via email/msn:
: > > kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
: > > ----- Original Message -----
: > > From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:58 PM
: > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
: > >
: > >
: > > > > what is the point of speech if it just says star?
: > > >
: > > > It tells you when to enter your pin, confirms that you have entered
: the
: > > > digits correctly, tells you if you when you an remove your card or 
if
: > you
: > > > have made a mistake etc.
: > > >
: > > > Anyway I remember reading something a while ago suggesting that in 
the
: > > > future speech on units like this might come from some sort of speech
: box
: > > we
: > > > carry with us, rather than from the units themselves, which would 
all
: > use
: > > a
: > > > common standard to communicate with the speech box.  we shall see...
: > > >
: > > > James
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