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[access-uk] Re: Window-Eyes VS Jaws - help?

From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:30:15 +0100

At 07:47 PM 29/10/2005, you wrote:

Na, DJ. Sorry but your dead wrong. Jaws is still number one. It still works best with most programs.

That's a tough claim to make.  There is an unbelieveable amount of
software out there, and even window-eyes users don't claim it all
works.  The reason jaws works with as much software as it does is
that numerous end users have stepped into the breach to offerfree and
cost scripting solutions to popular applications.  Do you imagine
what support there is for win mx was placed there by freedom
scientific?  Give me a break.  I had the pleasure of consulting with
the man who did the original scripts for win mx and dcplusplus on
accessibility in filesharing products.  He did the scripts that are
now the last word for DCPlusPlus and it's clones.  You can bet your
life he never received a cent from FS for the hours he put in,
probably not from end users either, and you can be just as sure the
support wouldn't now be there if it wasn't for him.

Window Eyes still doesn't work with all MS Office
software.


Truth.

Window Eyes users say their software works, but then, they
describe how they navigate the likes of AdAware, and they mention 200
keystrokes to successfully complete one scan.

Well I have never cared for addaware, prefering spybot, for the very reason that back when I used jaws as my mainscreenreader I could never get the thing to fly. But again, do you think there would be scripting for addaware in jaws if some lumpkin hadn't donated 10s of hours to shoestring some scripts together? Peter, Addaware is a freeware program. That means that FS can't sell customization for it because no one would pay. Since they can't sell it, they disdain to design it, but they'll be happy to include some one else's hard work for nothing and claim as much credit as they can get away with. So if it wasn't for some enterprising end-user, addaware wouldn't be any more accessible in jaws than it is in window-eyes.

In some programs, like for instance WinMX, they even have to search
for some important buttons... like, um, the OK button?


Ooooh, now there's a prime example.  A filesharing program on the
rocks.  Peter.  .  I've used win mx with jaws and  window bridge, and
if it had been viable as a piece of software, I might have stuck with
it through window-eyes.  The fact of the matter is though, win MX
is... was... a piece of crap from features to inerds to interface.  I
liked nothing what-so-ever about the program, and the fact that no
screan reader in the world works comfortably with it out of the box
means absolutely nothing what-so-everr.  Then again, see my comments
above on support for freeware in freedom scientific.

I'm hearing also some horror stories regarding Window Eyes not
reading the status of read and unread messages.

A known bug in outlook express fixed in 5.0. "Injecture from a friend", Or, you can get real and switch to eudora and fix the problem that way.

lol I think that's a bit harsh but truthfully I would probably switch to Eudora if it wasn't for the fact I have OE setup the way I like it and I'v eno problems with it plus I am not sure it's import as in Eudoras would do my folders justice and to set them back up and try and import messages and sort it would be a nightmare.

And Window Eyes doesn't even work with MS Media Centre, while Jaws
has worked with it since 6.0.


What is ms media center?  Is that like
Narrater or Notepad or msn anti-adware utilities?  When you can use
free winamp or Foobar2000 for anything, any, thing, media related
except possibley for CD burning, why would you want something called
MS media center?  Rhye face.

I'm using a demo of Window Eyes right now and... oh darn Window Eyes has
locked up....


It might if you are using elloquence, a flaw in the synthesizer, but
I run it here on a laptop for days using dectalk.

Plus if we get into versions of Elaquince the one that ships with Jaws 6. and 7.0 all crackle under the SB Live cards in XP, the one that shisp with Eyes doesn't. But this is a a exstention onto either screenreader.

Dj Paddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Logue" <peterlogue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Window-Eyes VS Jaws - help?

Na, DJ. Sorry but your dead wrong. Jaws is still number one. It still works best with most programs. Window Eyes still doesn't work with all MS Office software. Window Eyes users say their software works, but then, they describe how they navigate the likes of AdAware, and they mention 200 keystrokes to successfully complete one scan. In some programs, like for instance WinMX, they even have to search for some important buttons ... like, um, the OK button? I'm hearing also some horror stories regarding Window Eyes not reading the status of read and unread messages. And Window Eyes doesn't even work with MS Media Centre, while Jaws has worked with it since 6.0. I'm using a demo of Window Eyes right now and... oh darn Window Eyes has locked up....
Peter
-----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dj Paddy Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:24 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Window-Eyes VS Jaws - help?
Wow!
As somebody who's used JAWS for a number of years, (perhaps not as long as
some), but I consider myself a fairly advanced user of the screnreader my
advice is to stick to Window Eyes.
I'm waiting on 5.5 being released and I'm making th eswitch.  I'll still
have JAWS and no doubt will use it from time to time but.  Look at the
product feature lists, look at what works and what doesn't, look at the
customer service and tech support of |GWMICRO Vs Freedom Scientific.
Look at past major releases of JAWS and Windoweyes.  Who's released what,
what's worked and what hasn't.  What has been broke in JAWS?  With each
release of JAWS things are broke.
Why? Because they're patching Ancient code over at Freedom. Look at JAW's download size now, what 52meg vs Window Eye's 12meg? That is what is known as bloatware.
It's been a long time coming my own switch but I dont' see a successful
future for JAWS.
The only way out is if they do what Dolphin did. Strip it and re-write. However, I suspect for Freedom it would also take some internal re-focusing.
I.E.  away from profits and focused on what users want not what they think
we should have with nonsense noises for website navigation.
Personally I think it would be an awful move for anyone to switch to JAWS
now.
Dj Paddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shashi Gothivarekar" <shashi.g@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Access list" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Blindtech(List)" <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Help needed list" <Help_Needed_List@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 6:28 AM Subject: [access-uk] Window-Eyes VS Jaws - help?
Hi Guys,
    I am a Window-Eyes user and have been over many years. Lately, I
am increasingly becoming aware of some serious shortcomings of it,
especially in the department of scripts for various applications. I am
therefore, seriously thinking of moving over to Jaws which, I realise
now, I should have done a long time ago as it appears to be the most
widely used screen reader by the blind community. Anyway better late
than never. My question now is, is there any way I can try Jaws,
before I fork out of hundreds of poundsfor it, and would the trial
version be fully functional? Your responses would be gratefully
appreciated.
    Shashi Gothivarekar.
    Skype : Ramdasjaya.
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