Hi Darren Well we only replaced our TV last year, so will definitely NOT be investing any more money in a television that speaks only half its menus. As far as we are concerned, we wanted a recordable, talking Freeview box with good speech and sensible features. It's arrived in the shape of the TVonics, and that will do us. I would just love to see proper speech facilities, not half-baked attempts, put into all domestic appliances. I don't want the speech to be patronising and hold my hand as I cook or sort the washing, I'd just like sensible feedback as to what I'm doing with the various programmes and menus. We don't need: "door open, door closed", we just need sensible information in say a washing-machine, cooker, TV, DAB radio etc. It will come, but maybe after some of us are no longer around? (smiles). And I guess you are right in what you pointed out about the speech as one skips through the AV menu in your previous message. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Brewer Sent: 16 May 2012 11:06 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Where does this leave the Panasonic TV? Hi List All this discussion about the new talking PVR got me thinking. One thing I've noticed that noone has mentioned is that the new TVs that Panasonic recently launched are probably already obsolete, as far as the blind community are concerned. Their accessibility compared to the tvonics box is very poor. With the new tvonics recorder you can take a standard TV and make it completely accessible. Ok, the Goodmans did a simlar job, but as many would argue it was quite poor compared to this one. What still amazes me and this is coming from a former electronics design engineer is that with just a simple upgrade to the firmware the box becomes completely accessible. Over time more features and enhancements will be added and they will be free. Something else the goodmans lacked. RNIB, Goodmans and Panasonic must have invested a fair amount of time and money in developing the accessibility of their recent products, which required more of a hardware rather than a software solution which is always far more expensive and restricting. Now tvonics come along and hey presto with a simple upgrade we have complete accessibility. Ok, not quite, iplayer and digital text, but given time they will be. I still think it was brave of Panasonic to try and be a trail blazer. Unfortunately they didn't do enough and left a lot of people wondering why so much of the TV was still inaccessible. Maybe they will take notice of tvonics, which in truth is a far less well known and less established electronics manufacturer. When I've mentioned Tvonics to people, so far all have said they have never heard of them. Maybe now they will become more well known. Just my thoughts. Darren. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq