[access-uk] Re: What podcasts, streams and radio do blind users here listen to?

  • From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:52:25 -0000

The problem with this kind of approach is that people soon discover that they 
want to do more than the product offers and this can lead to frustration. I 
know of a number of people for example who use the Guide software and 
reasonably quickly begin to want to do some of the things Guide can't handle. 
As people hear about podcasts and streams, I suspect they will quickly become 
frustrated at a limited choice.

Iain


From: Jonathan 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:47 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [access-uk] Re: What podcasts, streams and radio do blind users here 
listen to?


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Barry Toner <barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 


  Here's a very frank question...  Is it cost that prevents someone, (say in
  your position ),offering the extra features that some may want but hiding
  them from the perceived target audience?



A combination of both. Cost prevents audio menu navigation - you've got that 
with the Sonata. That'll be four hundred quid, please.
And complexity or rather, simplicity - this was born out of 2 years of getting 
feedback from blind users of various services.


It started with loads of choice, and gradually, buttons got removed, the cost 
fell, until eventually "10 buttons, your choice of listening" hit the right 
price/features for the intended audience.


You'll have to trust and believe me when I say that some people really prefer 
to have a nice, simple device, configured to their wishes, without having to 
get involved in broadband provision, or even know or care what ADSL and wifi is 
or does.  As a technology list, this might seem a strange notion; I know people 
who run Linux precisely because it's more complex than Windows.



Again, it comes down to choice.  


  I ask this because while I acknowledge there is a large older generation out
  there I do not believe that the majority of them given the choice would not
  want to use technology such as a computer to a degree if it gave them
  entertainment/independence.

  Why for example do we presume that because Older Person X who happens to
  have some level of sight loss is any different than Older person Y who has
  no sight loss but manages to push past the fear of something new at an older
  age.  Then email their granchild who's in college say in the US?

  Sureley it wouldn't be that difficult to add a number of keystrokes to
  change from say Basic to Advanced modes/views?

  Sorry am in a rush and didnt' have time to tidy this mail up!

  barry




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  Jonathan
  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:01 PM
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  Subject: [access-uk] Re: What podcasts, streams and radio do blind users
  here listen to?


  Barry:

  1. Add to it independently: Yes
  2. Remove presets if organisation or storage is compromised: Yes
  3. Podcast search or a Podcast Directory should be included: Yes, but
  that's not the focus of this.

  It's kind of analogous to audio description: It's there if you have
  the right tv, but you can still hear the programme without it, if that
  makes sense?

  Now to Gordon's point:

  On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Gordon Keen <gordonkeen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  wrote:
  > Shudder, I'm sixty and if I ever found myself thinking of buying such a
  box I'd book my flight to Switzerland.
  > Sorry but technology should empower not restrict choice.

  OK, if you're happy paying £405 + £25+VAT per year, that's great. Not
  everyone has that luxury or cash. It's a choice, an alternative, like
  going to Switzerland or not.

  No one's going to make you buy it, just like no-one's going to make
  you buy cornflakes if you prefer Dorset Cereal's luxury muesli with
  yak's milk served in the finest bone china.
  But aren't you glad Mr Kellogg made it onto the shelf too? Horses for
  courses (usually second course, in France...)

  Or like Dignitas. There if you want it, but no one's going to force
  you to. But you wouldn't want to take that choice from others?

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