I don't doubt it Dave. So how does one go about liaising with the RNIB on these matters. I'm not sure it's all that clear. Is there a point of contact? -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Taylor Sent: 21 July 2010 19:51 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider inaccessible? As we're talking about the wide area of legislation on gadgets and accessibility in general, the answer has to be RNIB. Whatever you think of them, they have been the most effective campaign organisation we have for many years! -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Damon Rose Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:11 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider inaccessible? So which UK organisation should one join if you want to influence this kind of thing, Dave? -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Taylor Sent: 20 July 2010 13:38 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider inaccessible? Ah yes, that'll be the American blind lobby who put their money where their mouths are and join and support organisations, something fewer and fewer will do here! -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Damon Rose Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:29 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider inaccessible? Well as RNIB's John Godbur was quietly suggesting on this list a few weeks ago, blind people in the UK don't shout loud enough, Colin. If we did then legislation might happen to force manufacturers and service providers into this. It would influence rich media creators. It strikes me that legislation is the only way forward and there's not enough talk about it here. It's thanks to the strength of the US disability and blind lobby that things like iPhone are now accessible across the world, for instance. ...Damon -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Colin Fowler Sent: 20 July 2010 12:28 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider inaccessible? I wholly agree, but I don't think that we're going to be able to influence the reliance on rich media content; look at Jonathon Hassles approach to this and maybe I am wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: Damon Rose <mailto:damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:21 PM Subject: [access-uk] What do you consider inaccessible? In all my web browsing, I find that my biggest problem is websites that make jaws freeze or whip the cursor away. Lots of talk goes into accessibility of websites, putting in alt text, adding header tags, but the worst sites are the dynamic ones that have oodles of functionality and applets ... even if you don't use them they seem to affect the readability of the page. Usually I just want to read a page. I can live without header tags and alt text and the other little accessibliity tickboxes like using CSS structuring instead of tables. I can live with all that ... but I can't use websites that jump around all over the place cos they're loaded with fun. What I want to know is ... is it just me? Please respond because I'm keen to refocus the accessibility debate if I'm right. ...Damon Damon Rose Senior Content Producer bbc.co.uk/ouch BBC Vision Learning Tel: 020 8752 4427 (x0224427) email: damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx Have you heard the award-winning Ouch! Talk Show yet? 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