[access-uk] Re: Website preferences

Yes.... Usability should be considered as important as accessibility.

Cheers

Barry
 

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Carol Pearson
Sent: 09 March 2011 3:45 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences

Bim,

Whilst I generally support the third option, I agree with you also.  I have
difficulty with sites that are full of this and that offer and realistically
it does my head no good at all!

Please remember everyone, there are lots of disabilities, not just
blindness, and some of us have a number to deal with.  Should that prohibit
us using the Internet?  No, certainly not;  but should we do it in the best
way suitable to us - yes, surely.  That may be that for some they need less
access and less cluttered pages.

...

One day some of you may be in that very situation following a stroke or some

such debilitating condition.

I personally know that a lot of blind people choose to use the mobile 
FaceBook site because of its easier use, less cluttered pages, etc.  I'd 
therefore say there's definitely a place for this and would like to see 
every company offer a mobile site, maybe with less available in content but,

nevertheless, offer good functionality for all!

We also need to bear in mind that this list is generally made up of those 
who are keen on access technology, though we differ in knowledge and 
abilities.  Many out there just want to learn enough to get them by in order

that they can do what they need to do with the computer.  Some of us 
definitely grasp things easily and quickly and much of our new learning is 
based on what we already know.  For others, they take a long time and 
struggle and a lot of teaching is required.  I don't think Social Services 
really have any conception of this and the needs that are represented in 
their client base and this is definitely something about which the RNIB 
should be passionate about!

--
Carol P
---- Original Message ----
From: "Egan, Bim" <Bim.Egan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 10:37 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences

> Hi Barbara,
>
> I'll be one to object.  It's hardly fair to call  people
> lazy if they have difficulty in learning or dealing with
> sophisticated software. Blind people don't all have
> identical learning abilities.   It can also be more
> difficult to learn new techniques when you're 70 than
> when you're 17.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barbara
> Wilson
> Sent: 09 March 2011 10:20
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
>
> Thank you. I was waiting for someone to object and no
> doubt someone will.
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
> Find me on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/barkingbabs
> Barbara Wilson
> M: 07917710779
> T: 02887784046
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> IM: creativeeyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Skype: creativeeyes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Clasper" <terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 10:12 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
>
>
>> Hi Barbara.
>> You speak total and complete sense in my humble view!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Barbara Wilson
>> Sent: 09 March 2011 10:10
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
>>
>> Agree with every word of this. Anything other than
>> option C only caters to lazy blind people who want
>> special treatment. The RNIB should not pander to
>> such nonsense.
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>>
>> Find me on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/barkingbabs
>> Barbara Wilson
>> M: 07917710779
>> T: 02887784046
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>> IM: creativeeyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: creativeeyes
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Barry Toner" <barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:29 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On one hand cheers for asking the question, but...
>>> Like Ian I'm mystified
>>
>>> as to why our so called "Flag Ship" charity isn't just
>>> pushing for C.
>
>>> The
>>
>>> sinic in me suggests it's an attempt to look busy by
>>> asking a 10 year
>
>>> old,
>>
>>> (at least), question.  Not to mention after the fact of
>>> broken accessibility and poor design on sites that the
>>> RNIB has consulted on and earned a silly amount of
>>> money in doing so.  Perhaps resources could be better
>>> spent on getting the RNIB into a position were they can
>>> enforce accessibility and not just suggest it at a high
>>> mark-up in consultents fees.
>>>
>>> I make no apologies for this email being hard-line or
>>> sinical.  This stuff
>>
>>> comes up over and over and over again.  It's old and
>>> pisses me and no doubt plenty of other VI folks off.
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain
>>>> Lackie
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
>>>>
>>>> surely the answer is obviously C. Design should be
>>>> inclusive and I think we
>>>> have seen too many examples of "special" sites not
>>>> having all the facilities
>>>> of the main site or not being properly maintained. I
>>>> can't even see why the
>>>> question is being asked.
>>>>
>>>> Iain
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Egan, Bim
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:29 AM
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Website preferences
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Apologies if you see this on other lists ...
>>>>
>>>> My name's Bim Egan, I'm the technical lead for RNIB's
>>>> web access team. Web designers sometimes look to RNIB
>>>> for guidance on what sight- impaired
>>>> people need to make a site accessible.  Though we have
>>>> no power to insist that they take our advice, we want
>>>> to make sure that what we say is right for  you and
>>>> others .
>>>>
>>>> Could you help us please, by saying which of the
>>>> following three options
>>>> (A, B or C) would be more likely to suit your needs?
>>>>
>>>> A.  a text-only site, mirroring the main site with all
>>>> its features; or
>>>>
>>>> B.  A separate, simplified site made easier for
>>>> sight-impaired people, but with the risk of missing
>>>> out on some of the features on the main site; or
>>>>
>>>> Option C: If it's possible, one website that is
>>>> accessible for everyone,
>>>> sighted and unsighted.
>>>>
>>>> Option B could mean extra cost for web designers,
>>>> which they may not like to incur.  On the other hand
>>>> some people who work entirely from the
>>>> keyboard tell us that Options A and C can mean far too
>>>> many key strokes for them.
>>>>
>>>> Question:  Would it be a good idea for RNIB, as
>>>> policy, to encourage designers of the more popular or
>>>> important sites  for independent living, (grocery
>>>> sites for example) to produce an option B version?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Bim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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