[access-uk] Re: Web Radio again - on In Touch

I think any blind person who needs an easy to use set.  I know in my area we
get them through the local association for the blind.  I can't find the
criteria on their website, but it does say they supply radios to people who
are housebound and isolated.

Wendy 

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Iain Lackie
Sent: 18 April 2008 14:52
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Web Radio again - on In Touch

I don't want one myself, but who is eligible for wireless for the blind?

Iain
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wendy Sharpe" <w.sharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Web Radio again - on In Touch


If this device is really aimed at older people, I think many on fixed
incomes will find it beyond their reach.  Granted that Wireless for the
Blind will give it away to eligible people, but probably most of them
already have a radio from them.  So first there is the cost of the device,
then the annual administration fee which, if the law of averages prevails,
will go up from time to time, and then there is the cost of the broadband
connection.  This could add up to a tidy sum each year.

I get the feeling that the way this is being tackled in the UK will mean
that the project won't last very long.  I do wonder how many people really
want access to masses of publications from TNAUK, and what annual
subscription will be charged for that.  Leaving out computers, I can
certainly get all the news, gossip and other information I want from radio
and TV.

Wendy

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jackie Cairns
Sent: 18 April 2008 13:25
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Web Radio again - on In Touch

If I might just chuck in one more thought that I didn't include in my review

because I couldn't get clarification on this point.  The Web Box itself gave

information that there will be a yearly £25 charge for what it describes as
"administration", so it will be interesting to see if this charge rises and,

indeed, what it is for, for those who buy it.  Since it was only a trial box

I tried out and returned, I didn't know if this figure had been revamped
since its tagged message, or whether it still exists.

Jackie

Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
Skype Name: Cairnsplace
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 12:59 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Web Radio again - on In Touch


> Maybe voice tagging is the issue, or then again, maybe it is the model
> here being promoted thus far of centralised updating of the  web box
> that is the issue.  I wonder how reliable, timely, and for how long into
> the future this remote updating will be carried out.  So many projects
> these days fall down on under estimates of the costs involved in
> staffing even this sort of on-line updating.  For example, The
> commercial enterprise behind the old talking Freeview box weren't
> prepared to meet the on-going cost of updating the voice tags.
>
> To go off too at a  slightly tangential  but I think related parallel,
> the Reveal Accessible books database is gradually being closed down as
> RNIB isn't prepared, it seems, to meet the on-going cost of maintaining
> this valuable resource.
>
> I note your comments, below, with interest.  You yourself though pointed
> out to me that maybe it is older people this web box will be primarily
> aimed at, so possibly not the need for an infinite number of stations to
> be available.  I think that's maybe taking - shal I say - a dim view of
> older people's needs and preferences.  Voice tagging though is all very
> well when the device only has to operate with an unchanging set of
> prompts;  that's not the case though with web radio and streams which
> are by their nature very dynamic.
>
> Cheers,
>
> From Ray
> I can be contacted off-list at:
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Peter Beasley
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Web Radio again - on In Touch
>
> It is this voice tagging where the problem lies.  Why can't they use
> text to
> speach  as there are someexcellent voices around these days.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Web Radio again - on In Touch
>
>
>> Hi Ray and others.
>>
>> I feel it is necessary, as one of a number who have trialed this
> product
>> to
>> clear up some misunderstandings.
>>
>> First, as I have already stated here and in other places, I think the
>> Orion
>> Webbox is an interesting product that moves accessibility forward.
> The
>> product essentially streams audio from a number of sources.
>>
>> More people seem interested in the Internet Radio side of things and I
>> must
>> say I had high hopes there as well.
>>
>> I should make it clear that the Webbox can be updated remotely so that
>> when
>> you turn the unit on it can be recognised by a server and any upgrades
> can
>> be performed totally automatically.    I should explain that at the
> time
>> of
>> turn on the user is given various menus to proceed through.  In
> general,
>> each menu item is a voice tag or a piece of recorded audio.  Station
> names
>> or  publication titles take this form.  This is workable with
> publications
>> where titles change in a predictable way.
>>
>> The problem with internet radio is that each station needs a voice tag
> to
>> be
>> set up for it and this requires an organisation such as TNAUK to
> intervene
>> directly in order to add this title by creating a voice tag and
>> associating
>> a link to the station's online stream.  This takes up work but there
> is
>> also
>> another problem with the interface.  In order to do Internet radio in
> any
>> kind of comprehensive way the structure would need to be changed.
>> Currently
>> on the RNIB system, radio stations are in 2 lists, one of mainly bbc
> local
>> stations and the other called Internet Radio which is a mixture of
> other
>> stations.  You need to scroll individually through the menus and when
> you
>> finish listening to a station you go back to the top of the list.
> Menus
>> therefore have to be kept short which means stations need to be
>> categorised.
>>
>> The work of tagging and categorising stations means in reality that
> this
>> product will never offer the range of radio stations carried on
> commercial
>> products.  Maintaining and updating the list would be too bigg a job.
>>
>> I am glad I took part in the trial but in my opinion this product is
>> really
>> at the stage of proof of concept.  It is quite good for listening to
> pod
>> casts and, if you are prepared to move chapter by chapter it can be
> used
>> for
>> listening to books though daisy navigation is only available at one
> level
>> so
>> you can only really move by chapter.  winding through text like using
> the
>> rewind or forward buttons on a CD player is still really slow.
>>
>> In the RNIB evaluation, the headline figure in my view is that 85
> percent
>> of
>> the trialists were impressed with the web box but the majority of them
>> felt
>> that it needed significant modifications though it was designed quite
>> well.
>> Here I agree.   It is a decent prototype, a good first stab.  I have
> said
>> this before I know but I really do think that RNIB did a good job
>> trialling
>> this product and I think credit should be given where it is due.
>>
>> I think it is a shame that TNAUK have decided to market the Webbox at
> this
>> stage as in my view it is just not really fit for purpose yet though
> with
>> a
>> little financial input and the right people working on the project I
> see
>> no
>> reason why it cannot be a success in the near future.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Graham Page
>> Home Phone: 0207 265 9493
>> Mobile: 07753 607980
>> Fax:  0870 706 2773
>> Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: gabriel_mcbird
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:22 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Web Radio again - on In Touch
>>
>>
>> Very interesting.  So, was Jackie not offered this over night updating
>> of all the stations she would have liked?  Or, was this not mentioned
> to
>> her?
>>
>>
>>
>> From Ray
>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Christopher Maule-Oatway
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Web Radio again - on In Touch
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Ray, the TNAUK man, Ted Davis, definitely said that the customer
>> asked to have the two extra local radio stations added, which had
>> been done by the next morning.
>>
>> If this box is made available through Wireless for the Blind, I would
>> certainly be keen to get hold of one, and then would enjoy asking
>> TNAUK to add the numerous European stations that are bookmarked on my
>> PC.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>>
>> At 20:54 15/04/2008 +0100, you wrote:
>>>Just heard the guy from TNAUK on In Touch being interviewed about the
>>>web radio.
>>>
>>>Confused a little by one thing he said, that someone's web box was
>>>seemingly updated over night to get a local station.  So, is it
>> possible
>>>after all to do this remotely?  Or have I mis-heard this.   bit of the
>>>programme?
>>>
>>>Seems though that Wireless for the Blind fund is now interested so
> many
>>>might stand to get it for free, so we're led to understand.
>>>
>>>I must say though that In Touch and those taking part seem to live in
>>>splendid isolation re. comments on this list over the last month or
> so.
>>>You'd think this is "Thee Solution" to hear them talk on the
> programme,
>>>but we all know it isn't.  It will be all the more interesting to hear
>>>what RNIB decides.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>> From Ray
>>>I can be contacted off-list at:
>>>mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
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