[access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force

Carol,

Far from apathetic. By the sound of it, you're already involved! If nothing else, it's good to hear about people who are already getting involved and, if we can get something going here, you'll have a place to turn when you think a little backup would help get things moving. *Smile.

Cheers,
Tink.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 3:19 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force



Like others on the list, I have some ongoers with companies whose WEB
sites are not as good as I'd like to see.  I am also finding the going
very slow and often they just don't come back and nothing, in the end,
is really achieved.

No, I'm not being apathetic or even despondent, but just stating facts.

My situation is that I cannot take on much more than I already have so,
in view of my experience to date, don't feel I can get involved.

Maybe this is the experience of others!

Don't shoot us down in flames too much folks.  There's only a certain
amount anyone can do and we all have to know our limits.

Believe me, I love getting stuck in and standing up for needs etc., but
some of us have done that for years and now is the time to take things a
little more easily.


-- Carol carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx



-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Léonie Watson
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:43 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force


I like the name. *Grin.

   There does seem to be an absolute absence of enthusiasm though. I
wonder
if people are worried about getting involved, unsure of the best
approach
to take, unwilling to get stuck in, or just apathetic?

   I know there is a philosophy of, "We shouldn't have to go chasing
people
for something that should be a given", but I think you and I both
understand
that the corporate world doesn't work like that.

   I don't know what the subscribership to this list actually is, but I

can't believe that only 4 or 5 of us would be willing to spend a few
minutes
each week trying to make things happen. Colin's clearly got enough
energy
for 3, *smile, but even so, am I understanding that this really isn't
that
important to the rest of the list?

Tink.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:50 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force



Possibly a way forward I think.  Interesting to know just how many
people
would take part though.  Access-Uk-Proactive?

...Damon





-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Léonie Watson
Sent: 27 January 2005 10:59
To: Access UK
Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force


Speaking as one who works for an accessibility/usability company, it's a fine line I have to tread between being a professional and an end
user. I
now tend to use my private email address to contact people in this
regard,
having once learnt my lesson the tricky way.

We'd need a central list of people who are willing to get involved.

Is this worth setting up another list for, or is that a step too far
at this point? I can't think of an easier way to keep a central point
of focus.

   I agree that suggesting solutions and offering real help is a good
way to go. I contacted Interflora not long agao, because their
ordering section is entirely Flash based. They were very receptive and

told me they were in the early stages of planning a redesign. They've
asked me to look over their
new designs when they get that far. That was before Christmas and I'm
waiting to hear from them, but I'll stay in touch and see where it
leads.
In
this case, they have no idea that I work in the field, I'm just an end

user
with some specific requirements.

Tink.
Tink.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force


A bit of collective power anyone?

My approach is more the "did you know that your site is inaccessible"

and then trying to offer some constructive help and or contacts and
even websites.  I sometimes even offer to do user testing.

Mostly I am met with warm words. Napster, for instance, tell me they

are working out a feasibility study for making their service
accessible - which they have now apparently been doing for 9 months.
I've been coaxing them but it's been terribly difficult.  RNIB
advised me to ask them about budgets and how many people are on the
feasibility study team.  They replied by effectively saying they are
doing a feasibility study into a feasibility study on accessibility.
They wouldn't give me a deadline or a target, despite my constant
references to the DDA.

On a lower annoyance level scale are the people who listen and
haven't allowed themselves to get into a protracted debate as Napster

have with me ... But still do nothing.  I think there's a certain
audio books website for instance?

On the flipside though, some sites have been very good. A lot of web

professionals from a computer background just love problem solving.
Of course, sometimes they think that a great answer is to self voice
the website or add a text only version which I personally dislike and

feel is missing the point.

But as I say, if a group of us were to get ourselves together and,
when necessary, back each other up with a few targeted emails ...
That's power. And potentially it could have more effect.  Strength in

numbres and all that.

As I say, I see a lot of talk on here about it ... But have seen very

few examples of group action and think this is a great forum to bring

about more awareness.

Oh and more awareness and a little fear pumped into some websites
could see them paying for the services of at least a few people on
this mailing list.  Not me I hasten to add.

...Damon


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