[access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force
- From: "kevin and emma" <kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:30:21 -0000
i too am alrady involved off and on. i do work for a couple of companies on
occasions. which have including evaluation and recommendations on the
british airways site, cahoot, natwest, united utilities, tesco (very
effective i don't think! smile), and several others. unfortunately i too
have a lot of other thigns going on and cannot commit definately to joining
in on a regular basis.
i'm also of the opinion that the websites designers aren't always to blame,
sometimes it's the actual user who either doesn't know their access software
well enough to navigate a site well, or they just can't be bothered to put
any effort in themselves and would rather blame the websites design for the
problems in getting around it.
we also have to be aware that the accessibility of certain websites veries
depending on what screenreader you use, and even which version of a
screenreader you use. i'm refering only to screenreaders as i have no vision
to use magnification software and the like. for example with the site:
http://www.audiobookcollection.com
getting more details of, and ordering books is impossible with jfw version
4.2, but is fully working and accessible with version 6.
kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list.
email/msn: kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Léonie Watson" <lw@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 3:30 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force
> Carol,
>
> Far from apathetic. By the sound of it, you're already involved! If
> nothing else, it's good to hear about people who are already getting
> involved and, if we can get something going here, you'll have a place to
> turn when you think a little backup would help get things moving. *Smile.
>
> Cheers,
> Tink.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 3:19 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force
>
>
> > Like others on the list, I have some ongoers with companies whose WEB
> > sites are not as good as I'd like to see. I am also finding the going
> > very slow and often they just don't come back and nothing, in the end,
> > is really achieved.
> >
> > No, I'm not being apathetic or even despondent, but just stating facts.
> >
> > My situation is that I cannot take on much more than I already have so,
> > in view of my experience to date, don't feel I can get involved.
> >
> > Maybe this is the experience of others!
> >
> > Don't shoot us down in flames too much folks. There's only a certain
> > amount anyone can do and we all have to know our limits.
> >
> > Believe me, I love getting stuck in and standing up for needs etc., but
> > some of us have done that for years and now is the time to take things a
> > little more easily.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carol
> > carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of Léonie Watson
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:43 PM
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force
> >
> >
> > I like the name. *Grin.
> >
> > There does seem to be an absolute absence of enthusiasm though. I
> > wonder
> > if people are worried about getting involved, unsure of the best
> > approach
> > to take, unwilling to get stuck in, or just apathetic?
> >
> > I know there is a philosophy of, "We shouldn't have to go chasing
> > people
> > for something that should be a given", but I think you and I both
> > understand
> > that the corporate world doesn't work like that.
> >
> > I don't know what the subscribership to this list actually is, but I
> >
> > can't believe that only 4 or 5 of us would be willing to spend a few
> > minutes
> > each week trying to make things happen. Colin's clearly got enough
> > energy
> > for 3, *smile, but even so, am I understanding that this really isn't
> > that
> > important to the rest of the list?
> >
> > Tink.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:50 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force
> >
> >
> >> Possibly a way forward I think. Interesting to know just how many
> >> people
> >> would take part though. Access-Uk-Proactive?
> >>
> >> ...Damon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Léonie Watson
> >> Sent: 27 January 2005 10:59
> >> To: Access UK
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force
> >>
> >>
> >> Speaking as one who works for an accessibility/usability company,
> >> it's
> >> a
> >> fine line I have to tread between being a professional and an end
> > user. I
> >> now tend to use my private email address to contact people in this
> > regard,
> >> having once learnt my lesson the tricky way.
> >>
> >> We'd need a central list of people who are willing to get involved.
> >
> >> Is this worth setting up another list for, or is that a step too far
> >> at this point? I can't think of an easier way to keep a central point
> >> of focus.
> >>
> >> I agree that suggesting solutions and offering real help is a good
> >> way to go. I contacted Interflora not long agao, because their
> >> ordering section is entirely Flash based. They were very receptive and
> >
> >> told me they were in the early stages of planning a redesign. They've
> >> asked me to look over their
> >> new designs when they get that far. That was before Christmas and I'm
> >> waiting to hear from them, but I'll stay in touch and see where it
> > leads.
> >> In
> >> this case, they have no idea that I work in the field, I'm just an end
> >
> >> user
> >> with some specific requirements.
> >>
> >> Tink.
> >> Tink.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:36 AM
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: We Could be a Force
> >>
> >>
> >>>A bit of collective power anyone?
> >>>
> >>> My approach is more the "did you know that your site is inaccessible"
> >
> >>> and then trying to offer some constructive help and or contacts and
> >>> even websites. I sometimes even offer to do user testing.
> >>>
> >>> Mostly I am met with warm words. Napster, for instance, tell me they
> >
> >>> are working out a feasibility study for making their service
> >>> accessible - which they have now apparently been doing for 9 months.
> >>> I've been coaxing them but it's been terribly difficult. RNIB
> >>> advised me to ask them about budgets and how many people are on the
> >>> feasibility study team. They replied by effectively saying they are
> >>> doing a feasibility study into a feasibility study on accessibility.
> >>> They wouldn't give me a deadline or a target, despite my constant
> >>> references to the DDA.
> >>>
> >>> On a lower annoyance level scale are the people who listen and
> >>> haven't allowed themselves to get into a protracted debate as Napster
> >
> >>> have with me ... But still do nothing. I think there's a certain
> >>> audio books website for instance?
> >>>
> >>> On the flipside though, some sites have been very good. A lot of web
> >
> >>> professionals from a computer background just love problem solving.
> >>> Of course, sometimes they think that a great answer is to self voice
> >>> the website or add a text only version which I personally dislike and
> >
> >>> feel is missing the point.
> >>>
> >>> But as I say, if a group of us were to get ourselves together and,
> >>> when necessary, back each other up with a few targeted emails ...
> >>> That's power. And potentially it could have more effect. Strength in
> >
> >>> numbres and all that.
> >>>
> >>> As I say, I see a lot of talk on here about it ... But have seen very
> >
> >>> few examples of group action and think this is a great forum to bring
> >
> >>> about more awareness.
> >>>
> >>> Oh and more awareness and a little fear pumped into some websites
> >>> could see them paying for the services of at least a few people on
> >>> this mailing list. Not me I hasten to add.
> >>>
> >>> ...Damon
> >>>
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