[access-uk] Re: WLAN

Hi George -

Belarc Adviser shows this:

Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC

This doesn't mean anythin to me! But it contains the word 'ethernet', so 
wondering if it has anything to do with going wireless. I'm still a bit 
puzzled about the rj45 port too! -

Andy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN


| Hi Andy,
|
| I somehow doubt it.  Dial up usually uses a smaller socket
| and plug, though still square.  If i'm not mistaken, they
| are an RJ11 connector, just like those an American telephone
| systems.
|
| You should be able to find out what exactly your system has
| by running Belarc Advisor, a free program from
| http://www.belarc.com
|
| George.
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
| Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:12 PM
| To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN
|
| Hi George -
|
| Ah! the rj45, is that the socket I will have used when on
| dial-up, to
| connect my PC to the bt phone socket? I've certainly got one
| of those
| <smile> -
|
| Andy
| ----- Original Message ----- 
| From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:01 PM
| Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN
|
|
|| Hi Andy,
||
|| The RJ45 looks kind of like a more square version of a UK
|| telephone plug.  If your PC doesn't have a network
|| connection like this, you will have to install one. On
|| relatively modern PCs, I'd be surprised if it didn't have
|| one on the motherboard.  Network expansion cards are not
|| expensive - usually under £20.  If you don't have one of
|| those, you will alternatively have to install a wireless
|| network card.
||
|| However, it is best practice to try and have one system
|| wired to the router.  I'll spare the technical reasons for
|| just now.
||
|| Once you've got the router configured to your desk top,
|| setting up the wireless links is not usually too much of a
|| problem.
||
|| George.
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
|| [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
|| Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:44 PM
|| To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
|| Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN
||
|| HI George -
||
|| This helps, thanks. What will the rj45 port feel like on
| my
|| PC? I've got two
|| ports I'm not sure about, one feels like it might be for
| an
|| aerial for a TV
|| card, the other is round and feels similar to an RCA
| stereo
|| socket.
||
|| Also, once the PC is hard wired in this way to the router,
|| is it then a
|| question of configuring the laptop or the mobile and the
|| router so that they
|| see and connect wirelessly to one another?
||
|| Thanks -
||
|| Andy
|| ----- Original Message ----- 
|| From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
|| To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
|| Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:32 AM
|| Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN
||
||
||| Hi Andy,
|||
||| I'm not Tristram, but to answer your questions.
|||
||| 1) The network cable is described as an "Ethernet Cable"
|| and
||| has RJ45 plugs on each end. One end goes into the router,
||| the other into the RJ45 network port on your PC.
|||
||| 2) You can run multiple wireless devices at the same time
||| with a wireless router. There's not usually any physical
||| switch of any kind.
|||
||| At home here for example, I have a disk top PC linked to
|| my
||| wireless router with an Ethernet cable. My wife and I
| each
||| have a laptop, and these are connected wirelessly to the
||| router so we can both access the internet at the same
|| time.
|||
||| George.
|||
||| -----Original Message-----
||| From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
||| [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy
| Collins
||| Sent: 08 February 2008 16:57
||| To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
||| Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN
|||
||| thanks Tristram - Can I ask some more?
|||
||| So, if I understand correctly, an ethernet cable will be
||| require to hard
||| wire the PC to the Netgear router; is the cable for this
|| the
||| RJ45 that I've
||| heard of?
|||
||| If I want to use more than one device wirelessly, will I
||| need a hub, or a
||| router that has several switches on it? Is it that each
|| item
||| on a network
||| needs it's own wireless switch on the router?
|||
||| Thanks -
|||
||| Andy
||| ----- Original Message ----- 
||| From: "Tristram Llewellyn"
||| <tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
||| To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
||| Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:23 PM
||| Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN
|||
|||
|||| Some answers
||||
|||| Q: Does this ethernet cable run from the router to the
||| phone socket, or
|||| from
|||| the router to my PC?
|||| A: There will be a similar lead for attaching the router
||| to the phone
|||| socket, but I would recommend you have an Ethernet cable
||| as well which I
|||| don't think you will be supplied with the router, I
| don't
||| remember what
|||| happened with mine.  You buy pre-made ones from PC-World
||| with lengths to
|||| suit most scenarios if there isn't one.  I would never
||| personally have
|||| wireless as my only link to the network directly or
||| indirectly, wireless
|||| can occasionally have innexpliccable splutters and give
|| up
||| when you
|||| least expect.
||||
|||| Q: When you say "a wireless settings section" does this
||| mean that the
|||| router
|||| will come with a software CD, from which I can change
||| settings, and
|||| create
|||| this SSID?
|||| A: It may come with a CD but you don't need to install
||| anything, your
|||| router just connects over Ethernet so just plug it in.
|| If
||| there is a CD
|||| it will probably be manuals and catalogues.
||||
|||| Q: When you say it is built in to the router, how do I
||| access it to
|||| create the
|||| incription?
|||| A: This is where the CD if any comes in handy, otherwise
||| there willl be
|||| a quick setup sheet.  It will tell you how to log into
|| the
||| router.
|||| Basically you will load IE or other preferred browser.
||| Then you type in
|||| a location for the router, sometimes like 192.168.0.1
| and
||| press enter.
|||| Routers generally have a default username "admin" and
||| password
|||| "password", the quotes are not part of the login details
||| those.  You are
|||| then logged into a web page whcih you can then navigate
||| and perform
|||| tasks on the router.  If unfamilier you will have to get
||| your bearings a
|||| bit, one of the first things it may offer you is some
|| kind
||| of broadband
|||| auto-setup wizard so it may be handy to have the details
||| for your
|||| broadband provider handily available so you can pop
| those
||| in and get
|||| connected.  Then perhaps you can start to think about
| the
||| wireless and
|||| encryption, you wil be able to use your screen reader
||| commands to find
|||| the apropriate page on the router to deal with this.
||||
|||| Once you have all that gong you can get the laptop or
||| whatever to
|||| connect wirelsssly to the router and manage it remotely
||| using that
|||| connection (with care) and will have the backup of
||| physical conection.
||||
|||| Regards.
||||
|||| Tristram Llewellyn
|||| tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||| Technical Support
|||| Sight and Sound Technology
||||
|||| -----Original Message-----
|||| From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
||| [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
|||| Of Andy Collins
|||| Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:58 PM
|||| To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||| Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN
||||
|||| Thanks Tristram, can I take some of your points and ask
| a
||| bit more
|||| please?
||||
|||| You wrote:
||||
|||| "| First thing you need to do is log into your new
| router
||| with an
|||| ehternet
||||| cable.  That way you get yoour router connected to the
||| internet with
|||| the
||||| log in details for your supplier."
||||
|||| Does this ethernet cable run from the router to the
| phone
||| socket, or
|||| from
|||| the router to my PC?
||||
|||| You wrote:
||||
|||| "On the Netgears and all similar
||||| routers there will be a "wireless settings" section.
||| Here you will
|||| want
||||| to set up the wireless SSID (it is a name that you will
||| need to set
|||| all
||||| your wireless adaptors to)."
||||
|||| When you say "a wireless settings section" does this
| mean
||| that the
|||| router
|||| will come with a software CD, from which I can change
||| settings, and
|||| create
|||| this SSID?
||||
|||| You wrote:
||||
|||| "The other thing you should
||||| consider is getting some kind of wireless encryption
||| going, this is
||||| built into your router.  There are quite a lot of
|| choices
||| but only
|||| some
||||| are realistic, WEP is broken thoroughly so the next
| step
||| up would be
|||| WPA
||||| which is secure enough and almost all laptop wireless
||| adaptors do it
||||| these days.
||||
|||| When you say it is built in to the router, how do I
|| access
||| it to create
|||| the
|||| incription?
||||
|||| Thanks for any further help -
||||
|||| Andy
||||
|||| ----- Original Message ----- 
|||| From: "Tristram Llewellyn"
||| <tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
|||| To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
|||| Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:59 PM
|||| Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN
||||
||||
||||| First thing you need to do is log into your new router
||| with an
|||| ehternet
||||| cable.  That way you get yoour router connected to the
||| internet with
|||| the
||||| log in details for your supplier.  On the Netgears and
||| all similar
||||| routers there will be a "wireless settings" section.
||| Here you will
|||| want
||||| to set up the wireless SSID (it is a name that you will
||| need to set
|||| all
||||| your wireless adaptors to).  You could use the default
||| whatever it
||||| happens to be but there is some security risk in
| leaving
||| it something
||||| obvious like "netgear".  I have left mine on the
| default
||| but then
|||| again
||||| I run a full lengh fully randomised key on WPA with
| uPnP
||| disabled so
||||| with that I judge it to be pretty low risk.  The other
||| thing you
|||| should
||||| consider is getting some kind of wireless encryption
||| going, this is
||||| built into your router.  There are quite a lot of
|| choices
||| but only
|||| some
||||| are realistic, WEP is broken thoroughly so the next
| step
||| up would be
|||| WPA
||||| which is secure enough and almost all laptop wireless
||| adaptors do it
||||| these days.  Usually it is a security passphrase or a
||| string of
|||| numbers
||||| and digits, the latter aproach up to 24 digits is good
||| enough.  This
||||| will stop your neighbours using your wireless and also
||| keep you safe
||||| from the bad guys, so it is well worth doing.
|||||
||||| Once you have done that at the router you get started
||| with the
|||| wireless
||||| on the laptop machine.  You can set up a normal network
||| connection
|||| from
||||| "control panel" and "make new connection", the wizard
||| should have an
||||| option for creating a wireless connection where you
| will
||| be asked the
||||| relevant details.  Another aproach is to open the
| system
||| tray and see
|||| if
||||| there is an "Available wireless networks", open that up
||| and see if
|||| your
||||| wireless is broadcasting to you, when you first try to
||| activate it you
||||| will be asked for the wireless key you had set up on
| the
||| router, after
||||| whcih it will log you in.
|||||
||||| Regards.
|||||
||||| Tristram Llewellyn
||||| tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||||| Technical Support
||||| Sight and Sound Technology
|||||
||||| -----Original Message-----
||||| From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
||| [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
|||| Behalf
||||| Of Andy Collins
||||| Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:15 AM
||||| To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
||||| Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN
|||||
||||| Thanks Tristram - So, with a wireless router, I take it
|| I
||| just plug it
||||| in to
||||| my adapter that goes in to my phone socket, but what do
|| I
||| have to do
|||| at
||||| the
||||| PC end of things to make the wireless connection?
|||||
||||| Thanks -
|||||
||||| Andy
||||| ----- Original Message ----- 
||||| From: "Tristram Llewellyn"
||| <tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
||||| To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
||||| Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:49 AM
||||| Subject: [access-uk] Re: WLAN
|||||
|||||
||||||I have two Netgear routers they are perfectly fine.
||| Belkin do some
||||| good
|||||| cheap ones as well.
||||||
||||||
|||||| Regards.
||||||
|||||| Tristram Llewellyn
|||||| tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||||| Technical Support
|||||| Sight and Sound Technology
||||||
|||||| -----Original Message-----
|||||| From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
||| [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
||||| Behalf
|||||| Of Andy Collins
|||||| Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:25 PM
|||||| To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||||| Subject: [access-uk] WLAN
||||||
|||||| Hi all
||||||
|||||| At the moment, I have a Benitone router connected to
| my
||| PC by USB;
||||| there
|||||| is
|||||| nothing on this router that will allow me to connect a
||| wireless
|||| point.
||||||
|||||| Am I right in thinking then that a Netgear wireless
||| router combined
||||| with
|||||| a
|||||| switch is a good way to go? Are Netgear good routers?
||||||
|||||| Thanks -
||||||
|||||| Andy
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