[access-uk] Re: Vista delaying adopting
- From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:25:36 -0000
Hi Tris.
Many thanks for the hands-on experiences. Especially from someone who's
coming from a screenreader angle.
My other sticking point is I want Ultimate edition. So a few pennys will be
saved. What can I say, I'm a geek! Anything less would just annoy me even
if I dont' use every, single, feature right away I want to know I can
without having to upgrade!
I think that's a very nice feature Microsoft has went for with the all
versions in one approach.
Hmm, that search thing fromt he Windows Globe sounds erksim. I suspect that
will annoy some more than others though and am wondering if there's a way of
turning it off?
Even if their isn't I guess getting used to the fact that we can't have
everything in a nice, neat and scripted package isn't a bad thing.
Cheers again!
Barry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tris-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Vista delaying adopting
Hi Barry
"I'm curious in terms of usability will a screen reader user notice much
difference to their sighted peer?"
The short answer is yes you will and sighted people will have what I would
regard as training issues with it too as well as screen reader users.
Straight away when you open the start menu you will, focus lands on a search
edit field which you will need to use cursor keys to navigate out of unless
you wish to search. Also whilst switching to "classic mode" was for a time
both necessary and possible in the early days of Windows XP, VISTA is a
different story, whilst there is a non-graphical front end things stay in
much the same place.
The Desktop can be navigated in the same way you know and love in Windows XP
so no change there. I haven't checked out the Sidebar in speech, but I may
have some time doing this over Christmas as a way to digest the turkey,
unfortunately the machine I have this going on is somewhat below ideal spec
and consist of a number of bodges I have concocted to get it going and it's
RC2 so there is still tons of debugging code which make things more
ponderous than they should be. It would appear that VISTA is quite flexible
and the task panes configurable to some extent, this is probably most useful
for sighted users but it could mean they could install a link to go to a
particular folder on a local machine or network location that is not covered
already by VISTA.
Control Panel is also a qualitatively different experience even once you
drop the category view though and it's a bit hard to explain exactly how,
but imagine a main control panel that leads to a sub control panel where you
pick up the individual dialogues or even dialogue pages. Things have also
shifted around so there have been one or two things I have been looking for
that I haven't been able to find based on knowledge of XP.
On the positive side the search is ubiquitous and much more effective than
in XP. It is not as good as Google Desktop or for that matter Spotlight on
the Mac, but I think it's actually useful now.
Unless anything has changed very recently each sound producing application
will have it's own volume setting that you can access which may be of some
use to screen reader users, I haven't played with this in anger but it would
seem to have a utility for such users.
IE7 is now somewhat a known quantity to some of you already, Windows Mail is
a paint job on Outlook Express with some new security measures built in. I
believe that Windows watchers had hoped that this would grow into a
mini-Outlook.
Microsoft are taking us in a new direction and that is part of the reason
for the increased hardware. Also a VISTA is inherently upgradeable, you buy
a CD that can not only give you potential for 32bit or 64bit platform but
allow you to upgrade Editions online, so if you have a VISTA home basic I
think you could upgrade to a Home Premium, or a Home Premium you will be
able to upgrade to an Ultimate edition, although who will do that given the
price I don't know, pricing and exact feature comparison is probably a
little opaque at the moment. Microsoft I expect judge that Home Premium to
be the volume seller on PCs, this is currently only similar to Windows Media
Centre which is actually part of the XP Professional line of products so
what VISTA does as a product line is more logical than before. Vista is
going to be your way to vastly expanded memory, even VISTA basic will
address 8GB of memory, premium I think 16GB whilst the business ones can
address more memory than any
one can afford or install on current motherboards.
VISTA is going to be a longer game than just the launch, there are things to
be added hopefully like WinFS, and of course the inevitable service pack as
well.
Microsoft have indicated one or two surprises in store, one has already
escaped into the wild is Motion Desktop, which is shorthand for an animated
Desktop, not much use to screen reader users, but is only available on the
Ultimate Edition users. You can think of Ultimate Edition as a cut and shut
between Home Premium and the VISTA business editions with a mega plus pack
on top of it.
We await a launch and the usual flurry of publicity, a few teary upgrade
stories, and the first critical updates.
Regards.
Tristram Llewellyn
Sight and Sound Technology
Technical Support
www.sightandsound.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: Dj Paddy
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Vista delaying adopting
Tris.
I'm curious in terms of usability Will a screenreader user notice much
difference to their sighted peer?
I've heard that things are shuffled about and some things are refered to
differently. Surely this will be a change for everyone?
Like Vanja I have a new machine that will take Vista no probs and likewise
am not planning on getting it on the 30th. However, I also want to try it
out.
I'll probably install it as part of a dual boot untill i feel comfortable
enough to switch completely.
I realise this is a new OS and considerations need to be taken. I am
concerned that people might be taking, (if diluted slightly), the same
view
to Vista when we moved from command line to GUI.
It is a different platform granted but I do feel people are paniking a
little too much.
I also have a feeling that the business user viewpoint is being mixed in
with the home user/enthusiast.
I completely agree that anyone thinkign their going to install Vista and
it
will just work might be unplesently surprised. In saying this scepticism
for scepticism sake is also a tad annoying.
Barry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tris-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Vista delaying adopting
Keep your eyes peeled on the FS website towards the end of January, you
should notice something happening with regard to VISTA and Jaws about that
time the free update for Jaws users is being worked upon as we speak.
I do believe that some of the accessibility concerns are not as pressing
as
some may suggest, however it does take some getting used to and there will
innevitably be some issues.
Regards.
Tristram Llewellyn
Sight and Sound Technology
Technical Support
www.sightandsound.co.uk
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