[access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - long
- From: "Peter Logue" <plsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:42:14 -0000
HiGordon,
Yes I got all of that. Unfortunately I wasn't aware that Firefox didn't use
Adobe Flash. I believe I do have it up and running now. but no sound.
Still toying with it.
Thanks.
Peter L
Skype: clydeview2008
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Gordon Atkinson
Sent: 06 March 2008 09:48
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - long
Hi Peter
I am not sure whether this will be of any help to you or not.
I downloaded the Adobe flash player from the Adobe website using IE 7 and
Window-Eyes. However, when you get to the download procedure, it does not
show up as a standard Windows download dialog, i.e, save cancel and so on.
I found that the file was installed directly but with no text to tell you
what was going on. On looking in the add/remove programs, I found that it
was there.
On the download page itself, further down the page, I found the following
text.
Adobe Flash Player
When you see the installation completion movie above and text below, your
installation was successful. The installation should only take a minute or
two on a 56k modem.
Note:
1. If a browser Security Warning dialog box appears like the one below, you
will need to click Yes to install the player.
2. Your computer may require a reboot after auto-installation of the Flash
Player ActiveX control, if the Flash Player is already in use during the
installation process.
Security Warning Dialog
Regards
Gordon Atkinson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Logue" <plsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - long
> Just had two more tries. This flashplayer download is the hardest item
> I've
> ever tried to download . And I'm usually never beaten. Got to shake my
> head
> at this one.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> Skype: clydeview2008
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Peter Logue
> Sent: 05 March 2008 22:11
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS -
> long
>
> Hi Tristram,
> Yes, I did all of what you suggest; got the download button, got a bleep
> asking to download active X control, hit enter and nothing else. 3 times I
> tried and each time I got nothing. I'm using firefox, so I might try it
> all
> again using IE. Trial and effort I suppose.
> Many thanks for your help.
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> Skype: clydeview2008
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Tristram Llewellyn
> Sent: 05 March 2008 16:48
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS -
> long
>
> As far as I know this is the only location you can get the player from
> whatch out for a dodgy wrap or the link:
> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=Sho
> ckwaveFlash&ogn=EN_US-gntray_dl_getflashplayer
>
> I am assuming you are a JAWS user for the instructions below.
>
> Once you are on that page:
> 1 Press letter F until you reach the "google toolbar" checkbox and
> press spaceb to uncheck it.
> 2 Press F once more to get to the terms of service checkbox and
> check that, the download will not start unless you check (and thereby
> implicitly agree to their terms of service).
> 3 Then press a letter G until you reach the "download now" graphic
> and press spacebar or enter on it.
> 4 IE will give ou a double blip and tell you that the site wants
> to install an activeX control. Press alt+N to get to the information bar
> and press shift+F10 or Windows Application key and thoose to install the
> ActiveX control.
>
> Regards.
>
> Tristram Llewellyn
> tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Technical Support
> Sight and Sound Technology
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Peter Logue
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:06 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS -
> long
>
> Hi Tristram ,
> My problem was with the Adobe site in that I found it very difficult to
> download and install the Adobe flash player. You are re-routed to Adobe
> where you have to install it from the Adobe site apparently and although I
> found the download and install link, my computer did nothing after I hit
> the
> install button. I tried three times without success. As to Alistairs
> accessible I_player itself? I had no trouble with accessing any of the
> programs. Without flash though, they didn't work.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Skype: clydeview2008
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Tristram Llewellyn
> Sent: 05 March 2008 15:53
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Using BBC Flash based iPlayer site with JAWS - long
>
> I noticed this morning some interest in the Flash based iPlayer site. I
> have whatched the whole iPlayer thing with hope and then again sometimes
> with despondancy. My latest take is that things are improving albeit
> slowly
> with the Flash based streaming site since I last looked at it JAWS a
> couple
> of months or so ago. The iPlayer service is still a developing organism
> and
> still has some shortcomings, it is however useable by a patient and
> reasonably knowledgeable JAWS user. I expect that the other Flash aware
> screen readers will also be able to attack this site with some success
> also.
> I would also expect that accessibility of the site will improve.
>
> Technologically I do not think it will be possible to design something
> along
> the line of the WebbIE tools to gain access to this content. The iPlayer
> site is what we have to work with and what we (as in the generalised
> screen
> reader/access community) would urge the BBC to improve.
>
> The information posted here is mostly accurate but I offer it as is on the
> basis of the conditions of ongoing changing nature and hope despite its
> imperfect nature that it helps someone out there.
>
> Jaws: Using BBC iPlayer click to play service
>
> Product: Jaws
> Version: 9.0
> Windows OS: XP
> Updated: 05/03/2008
>
>
> Question:
> How can you use the BBC iPlayer click to play service with JAWS.
>
> Note 1: This information in this article relates to a web
> resource which may be updated from time to time and therefore some of the
> information in this article may be necessarily inaccurate.
> Respectively this article is therefore a work in progress which will have
> to
> be updated to keep page with these developments.
> Note 2: The BBC iPlayer service is still in a stage of continued
> development and the accessibility of this service will change and may
> improve. However, even at present its present state it can be made use of
> by moderately knowledgeable JAWS users.
>
> Detailed information:
> The BBC late in 2007 introduced its iPlayer download service that allows
> users to download the last seven days BBC TV output and play it back on
> their PCs with Windows XP or VISTA operating systems. In an effort for
> further widen the potential audience the BBC later introduced a Flash
> based
> playback only service called "Click to play" on the iPlayer site at
> www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer. This extension to the service was primarily
> designed
> to placate users of other computer platforms which were not compatible
> with
> the iPlayer download system, but has become more popular generally and
> views
> with this service outnumber the download system by about eight to one in
> favour of "click to play". The service makes extensive use of Flash
> technology and although it is not as easy to use with a screen reader as
> it
> possibly could be, it can still be useful.
>
> Requirements:
> * At present this service has been tested with Internet Explorer
> 7.0 only under XP. Other browsers make not work as well or differently
> (such as Firefox) when using JAWS with this service.
> * You must have the latest version of Flash player installed on
> your computer this can be obtained from Adobe Systems www.adobe.com. In
> future the BBC may decide to use a different format for streaming however
> Flash is what is currently in use.
> * This system has been tested with JAWS 9.0 so far, other Jaws
> versions may also work however Jaws 7.10 may be considered viable.
> * You should have some knowledge or how the use virtual PC cursor
> keys, have some knowledge of quick navigation keys or have access to
> reference them, the letter B for web page buttons and letter H for
> headings
> will both be very useful and speed up operation.
>
> Overview of operation:
> There are two main steps using the iPlayer site, first is program
> selection
> based on categories and the second is playing and controlling the stream.
> When first opened the BBC iPlayer site consists of six main navigation
> links
> for locate programs, underneath these are sub categories. Once you have
> selected a sub-category you may then select a program. After selecting a
> program you may start its stream at which point player controls which are
> otherwise not visible to the JAWS user become available to control
> playback.
> Whilst not all of these controls are accessible the majority of the
> essential ones can be used.
>
> Steps for program selection:
> 1 With JAWS and Internet Explorer running press control+O and type
> www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer and press enter.
> 2 There are six links on this page that mainly concern us, these
> are; home, last 7 days, Categories, A To Z and Radio whose meaning should
> be
> fairly obvious. You can access these using insert+F7 links list or the
> virtual PC cursor and finally by using tab key.
> 3 Select the link most appropriate to the way you wish to find a
> program, eg. "Last 7 days" or "categories" and then press enter.
> 4 If you have chosen "Last 7 days" link then you may select one of
> the days of the week of programmes that have opened below. If you have
> chosen "Categories" then you can select programme categories such as
> "Drama"
> or "Entertainment and comedy" for example. To choose a category move the
> virtual PC cursor to the desired category and press enter.
> 5 To locate the program under the selected category you selected
> you can use the letter H to move close the list of results as the category
> you have selected will displayed on the page now as a heading.
> 6 After pressing H to locate the results heading you can use the
> arrow keys with the virtual PC cursor to examine the results.
> 7 With the VPC you can press enter on either "filter results by
> most recent" or on "A to Z". The latter of these two options gives the
> listing of program results in alphabetical form.
> 8 Next in order using the VPC will be the heading called results
> page number, your programme results may be on more than one page which may
> allow you to skip to a page most likely to contain the programs you are
> looking for. Pressing enter on any given number will jump to that results
> page.
> 9 Further down are the actual programs are now listed. You can
> use the arrow keys and also the letter H to scan through the heading level
> three links which are the programs themselves.
>
> Using search edit box to find programs
> 1 Press insert+F5 to list the form fields on the BBC iplayer site,
> there are usually only two, choose the "unlabelled edit" and press enter.
> 2 Type the name of the program you wish to find and press enter.
> 3 Press control to stop speech and press letter H for headings to
> locate your search results.
> 4 Now use H for headings for the cursor keys to browse the results
> from there.
> 5 When you have found the desired program press enter to reach its
> page and start the stream (see below).
>
> Playing and pausing the stream:
> You are now ready to play the stream:
> * To locate the play button press B until you reach the "find
> programs" button and press tab to reach "4 buttons" or "--:--.--"
> button, press enter on either of these to start the stream.
> * To stop the stream immediately you can activate the same button
> to pause the stream.
>
> Problems playing a stream
> When you press enter on some programs from your search results that are
> flagged as parental guidance a pop up will display asking you to confirm
> you
> age. JAWS does not appear to see this, if you have some residual vision
> you
> may see contrasted a white box against the usually darker background.
> You
> are not able to start the program until you have dealt with this. If you
> find you cannot start the program then this may be the problem. To
> resolve
> this issue press control+F to find the word "yes" on the page. This forms
> part of a prompt for a checkbox "yes I am over 16" and press spacebar to
> check the checkbox and then down arrow to the "OK" button and press enter.
> From then you can play back the stream.
>
> Hints for player controls
> Many of the controls in the player only have numbers and sometimes the
> order
> in which they appear can change. It is often best to navigate using the
> buttons quick navigation keys. Some of these numbers are more important
> than others and you can use the "custom label" feature under the
> insert+F2
> keystroke to name some of these important controls so they stand out for
> easier access. The following points are some navigation hints about the
> player controls.
>
> * Once the stream has started by pressing enter o the "4" button
> or "--:--.-" button you will gain access more of the player's controls.
> You can access these using tab and shift tab keys.
> * If you tab to the "5" button this is the "play/pause" button
> which you can operate with enter or spacebar. Note that you can use the
> Jaws custom label feature to name this control.
> * If you press tab or sometimes shift tab you will also find other
> options including the "6" button which is "rewind" to start of stream
> button.
> * Button "8" is the volume but is not accessible to use with JAWS.
> * To activate full screen view you must use tab or the B for
> button quick navigation key to locate button "20" and press spacebar, then
> press insert+minus to route JAWS to PC cursor and press number pad slash.
> This is because this button only seems to except a mouse click operation.
> * To stop full screen mode press escape, the steam will however
> continue playing.
>
> Glossary:
>
> Flash
> A system designed to deliver content online independent of computer
> platform, in order for users to access Flash content one must have the
> latest version of the Adobe Flash player installed. Currently at the time
> of writing this is version 10.
>
> Pop Up
> Usually a term used to describe a small window that appears after a
> specific
> user action has taken place. Examples of such windows may alert users os
> something or to ask for more information.
>
> Stream
> A stream is where either audio or video is fed down to a player on a users
> PC for listening or watching. This avoids having to download the whole
> file
> at once so that the user gets almost immediate playback except where
> Internet connection conditions are bad. Streaming has become most popular
> since the widespread introduction of broadband.
>
> Quick Navigation Keys
> A system used in Jaws that allows letter keys to be used whilst working in
> Internet Explorer that allow single key navigation to specific kinds of
> page
> elements for example B to navigate to firs and subsequent button elements
> on
> a web page.
>
> VPC
> Short for Virtual PC Cursor as when used within the Internet Explorer
> window
> with JAWS.
>
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Tristram Llewellyn
> tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Technical Support
> Sight and Sound Technology
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