"My lump of an HP Steve has a 17 wide screen and a numeric keypad on it. Love it to bits, but not one to lug about!! " The Advent 4211 will be considerably smaller than a 17 inch model, not to say less hernia inducing weight. I saw one of those HP units and it was large and silvery in a way that had a passing resemblance to a small ocean going yacht in terms of size. The 4211 has a 12 inch screen by my recollection and probably weighs in on or less than the 2kg mark, the display panels are a significant contribution to the weight you carry.. Regards. Tristram Llewellyn Sight and Sound Technology Technical Support www.sightandsound.co.uk Mail: Tristram: tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Technical: Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx General - info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Phone: Support line: 0845 634 7979 Sight and Sound Technology Limited is a company registered in England and Wales, with company number 1408275. Sight and Sound Technology Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton NN3 6WD VAT Number - GB 860 2121 66. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq