Hi Tony We don't sell the I-Pal, so you would be best to contact Humanware about its progress. We sell K-Reader for the phone which, as I have said, might not be your best option for book scanning. But we can also offer SARA (Scan And Read Appliance), which is a table-top stand-alone device that would scan books very well. And, if you want to use a scanner on your PC, there are also K1000 or Open Book OCR packages. It's nice that there are now several options to choose from on the market. Please feel free to contact me off list if I can help with any of our products. Jackie Cairns Braille Specialist Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton NN3 6WD Tel: 01604 798024 Mob: 07887 883815 www.sightandsound.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tony sweeney Sent: 21 December 2009 11:04 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] The Beyo & The I-pal Hi Jackie, Thanks for that url and your thoughts of The Beyo. I wonder what is the story now with The I-pal and it's associate readers? I liked the Ipal when I had it demoed to me but was hoping that the voice would be improved in the near future and/or that the price may drop or that a newer model come along! I have heard or come across nothing of it in a while. Wonder if you or anyone else can shed any light on the matter ffor us?----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Cairns <mailto:jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader Hi Tony You could go to www.comproom.co.uk And download it with some documentation from there, but I honestly don't think this software is for reading books. It is pretty good, but I don't think there is a true replacement for PC scanning with OCR software like K1000 or Open Book. Beyo and K-Reader are good for finding out what your document is, and K-Reader certainly appends text and saves it for later retrieval. But I'd never scan a book on either of them, and that's my honest opinion. Kind Regards, J Jackie Cairns jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tony sweeney Sent: 20 December 2009 15:57 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader Hi Jackie, I am still in the market for purchasing a suitable Reader! Do you have an url for the Beyo? Wonder how it manages with books? Thanks Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Cairns <mailto:jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader Guys, I'm cross-posting this to both lists as people have discussed it on Access UK and BCAB. Tris was in the office on Friday, and had a copy of BeyoCBS on his N86, so let me have a play around with the software. I must admit I was impressed for two reasons: Firstly, I loved the idea of the beeps that helped me to align the camera to the document I was wishing to scan. It was really interesting how this worked, and then took a picture automatically once I got a continuous tone, I really did like that feature and wish K-Reader had it as part of its software. Secondly, I personally thought the text was quite accurate. I didn't rate the voice that much, and there is a bit of interaction with Talks that needs sorting out. But it was certainly much better than I had expected. So, given the short time I spent with it, what's my verdict? Could be improved upon to take account of Talks being present, and use of a better synthesiser, but very good for 75 quid. I still love K-Reader though, but Beyo is an alternative worth considering for anyone who finds K-Reader out of their price range. I can't comment on Textscout as I haven't seen it, and am not in favour of the server idea for the reasons people have outlined already. Kind Regards, J Jackie Cairns jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: 18 December 2009 08:59 To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader Hi Steve. Well, I think I'll be plonking for Beyo for the time being, I doubt I'll ever be able to afford KNFB or TextScout, especially as TextScout is going to be more expensive given the price in Euros roughly equates to £810. How have you found beyo's interaction with talks? You can scroll, copy and paste the text, but can you read the text using talks and a Braille display? Perhaps if you haven't tried it you should give it a go. All the best, Ibrahim. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Nutt <mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader Hi Ibrahim, I have both here, and I can tell you that TS certainly does win for accuracy, though its real downside is if you don't have a signal, whether you have a data plan or not, it ain't going anywhere. It does read more difficult print much better than KNFB though. It also decolumnises better, for example when you read newspapers. But the real biggie for me, is that it allows you to read text with Talks, if you set it to external screen reader. It is not completely accessible with Talks, that is to say the menus etc are still spoken by the inbuilt TTS, but the actual text can be interrogated with Talks, which means we can get Braille output too. By the way, I do sell KNFB, but I am only speaking as a consumer here, not with my CRS hat on. I don't sell TS yet, but am hoping to soon. This is also not an attempt to take anything away from KNFB, it was here first, as OCR packages go, and is still a great product. All the best Steve From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: Tuesday 15 December 2009 13:29 To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader Hi. Well, I've personally never tried TextScout, but I understand that it has a higher recognition accuracy than the almighty KNFB reader not to mention a smaller memory and installation footprint. OK, so the image is processed remotely, but I'll tell you now that if it were a choice between KNFB and TextScout, based on what I've heard and read, TS wins hands down not least because I have an unlimited data package with generally good mobile coverage. All the best, Ibrahim. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Page <mailto:gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader interesting. this seems absolute madness to me. I don't want text scout because it is even more expensive than KNFB though I realise that scanned image is recognised remotely. I just don't understand how companies can be so arrogant as to not even let people try their software before buying it when the buyer is expected to pay so much money for the product. I was hoping to do some tests of KNFB reader alongside Beyo CBS and took it for granted that there would be a trial of KNFB reader but I was not looking in the right place. Regards Graham Graham Page Home Phone: 0207 265 9493 Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird ----- Original Message ----- From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu <mailto:ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:04 PM Subject: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader Hi Graham. No trial is available for KNF\B, though you might like to try TextScout which is an up and coming alternative. You can get a trial from www.textscout.eu. All the best, Ibrahim. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Page <mailto:gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: [bcab] trial of KNFB reader Hi all. I have been playing with Beyo cbs reader and found it promissing though accuracy has not been great. I thought it may be this could be to do with my technique of reading. Given the price difference I would expect Beyo CBS reader to be less accurate but I couldn't find a trial of KNFB reader. There must be one surely. No one would spend the best part of £700 without being able to try something first, surely. It is not really economically that viable for resellers such as Sight & Sound to visit anyone who may just want a demo out of curiosity so is there a trial version available? 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