[access-uk] Re: The Benefits of Braille - for Tink

I raised the Braille code issue more in jest than in earnest.  Personally, I 
DON'T WANT TO SEE MUCH CHANGE IN THE CODE AS IT STANDS, BUT WITH MATHS YOU 
BRING UP AN INTERESTING ISSUE BECAUSE THE ONLY MATHS SIGNS I    got used to 
were computer Braille ones, which somehow made more sense to me, but I am very 
far from being a mathematician.

To go into the code issue deeply would begin to deflect the focus of this 
thread,; but I suppose it does have relevance from the standpoint of the ease 
of learning Braille and whether more people might learn it if the code was 
changed.  These schemes always hit the resistance of many established Braille 
readers and we end up with as many disaffected users as we might win new users 
to Braille.

Many are adaptable though when it comes to the issue of greater choice and 
speed of reading.  I'm unashamedly a traditionalist here though;  I like to 
savour what I'm reading just as much as I want to turn the next page, while 
reading a novel.  I've never had any trouble with speech - and electronic 
displays, if I could afford one - for factual reading, but literally reading, 
or being read to well, by a reader I get on with, are things I will not 
willingly part from.  One or two who have mentioned how reading styles can 
lessen and ruin enjoyment are right.  I find Steven Moore's reading of the 
Cracken Wakes, for the enth time on BBC7 - unabridged - is grating.  His voice 
was ideal for Marvin the Paranoid android, and he's been in some Trollop 
Barchester adaptations to good effect, but somehow his voice gnores at me in 
the Cracken.  Now, whoever read the Day of the Triffids had it right for me, 
and I really enjoyed it.  I've also read it in print and enjoyed it that way 
too.  Triffids is a very good reflection on blindness and could spawn a thread 
to itself, but not here I'm afraid.

There is undoubtedly some puritanical obsession, not to say snobbery, attached 
to audio books, even when unabridged.  I'm not a subscriber to this attitude 
believing that each can have its merits, and having enjoyed reading novels in 
both ways, I can say I've had as much profound enjoyment in reading using 
either method.  (Someone dug out an article on the net which I still have about 
the snobbish anti-audio book stance of some people which I could post to anyone 
interested.

(Sorry for the accidental capitalisation at the start of this message.)
Ray

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave" <groups.dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:08 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: The Benefits of Braille - for Tink


> Braille needs reforming.  The basic signs and things are ok, but there are 
> problems with the different computer, maths and science codes and the 
> imprecise nature of a lot of the rules.  How can people be expected to learn 
> braille when there are two full stop symbols, three numbering systems, etc?
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:07 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: The Benefits of Braille - for Tink
> 
> 
> That's an original idea Tink, and I imagine someone could work out a 
> net-based Braille tutorial.  Remember to turn those extra dots 7 and 8 off 
> though.  i can't quite remember what those extra dots were used for now. 
> Was dot 7 an alternative to the capitlaisation sign?  Or maybe to denote 
> control characters for computer coders maybe?
> 
> We keep hearing Sci-Fi rumours of full page, or multi-lie refreshable 
> displays;  I really cannot see that coming to pass.  If only!  Braille could 
> see something of a renaisance were that to turn out to be practicalble.
> 
> All I ask Tink is if you ever do come to Braille via Technology, for heavens 
> sake don't start reforming the Braille code, will you!  That argument seems 
> to have died down for now, but watch out!  It could be due for another 
> round.
> Ray
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:26 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: The Benefits of Braille - for Tink
> 
> 
>> That's a great shame. Braille may not be for me, but that's not a
>> good enough reason for anyone to be discouraged or refused the opportunity
>> to learn.
>>
>>
>> I wonder if it would be possible to learn Braille on the Net. I'm
>> thinking off the top of my head, so don't expect a foolproof idea here, 
>> but
>> if a Braille display could be rented for a period, would it not be 
>> possible
>> to learn in a distance environment?
>>
>> Lots of ifs, buts and maybes in there I daresay, but perhaps the way
>> forward is to use technology to promote Braille.
>>
>> Tink.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Iain Lackie
>> Sent: 08 July 2005 19:57
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: The Benefits of Braille - for Tink
>>
>> Tink,
>> In our local blind society most of the staff do not know Braille and it
>> certainly isn't a high priority. It is even a struggle to get the 
>> society's
>> newsletter in Braille.
>>
>> Iain.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:32 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: The Benefits of Braille - for Tink
>>
>>
>>> I'm curious to know where the supposition that there is no
>>> opportunity to learn Braille, originates from.
>>>
>>> I was given the opportunity to learn Braille from my mobility worker
>>> at the time, I know that my regional RNIB office is currently teaching
>>> several adults to learn Braille and that there are home study courses
>>> available also.
>>>
>>> Is this really a matter of opportunity among adults or simply that
>>> most adults do not wish to tackle the steep learning curve?
>>>
>>> There's clearly no doubt that Braille users are strongly supportive
>>> of it's benefits and with good reason, but the decline can't entirely be
>>> put
>>> down to opportunity. I cannot be the only one who has had an opportunity,
>>> but found no practical reason for using the skill.
>>> Tink.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> James O'Dell
>>> Sent: 08 July 2005 14:45
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: The Benefits of Braille - for Tink
>>>
>>> But the enigma in this case is how to preserve braille at all, if the 
>>> vast
>>> majority of blind people are older and don't have the opportunity to 
>>> learn
>>> it.
>>>
>>> James
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