[access-uk] Re: Tesco.com/access order history

Can I, Carol, just make one or two general points about training?  I won't 
comment on the Tesco website shop as I don't use it - I have a tesco less than 
ten minutes walk away.  Not that I'm going to suggest you move nearer to 
Tesco's (smile).

I think Steve could have put his case a bit more subtly.  That aside, we get 
Tesco, sometimes Sainsbury, related points popping up again and again here, and 
it is what this list (is) about.  Still, it does seem obvious to me that many 
of us, (me included) aren't always as up-to-speed with the more complex screen 
reader features provided within whatever screen reader, as we should be.

Few of us are going to splash out on non-educational/employment related 
training days because that's a large cash sacrifice for individuals to make. 
The most obvious alternatives are some of the tutorials written by VI and other 
people for home use.  Brian Hartgen used to do these but that bloke's got a 
good deal else on his mind these days.

The other thing I ask myself is, why oh why, doesn't the vol sector do more? 
Its good, at a local level, at setting up tea and coffee mornings and day 
trips, but too rarely, I contend, gets to grips with the detailed business of 
providing regular training courses for free, or a moderate charge, come to 
that.  I think there's a crying need for a nationally led, but locally 
delivered, training initiative.  If that was to turn out to be job-seeking 
related, well, I'd have little quarrel with that seeing that fewer than 25% of 
VI people are economically active.

As a final thought, you could do worse than taking a look at what TAFN is 
doing.  They seem to be finding a way out of the cul-de-sac irrelevance that 
too much of the VI vol sector has sunken in to.
(Ray

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>


: Hi Steve,
:
: That doesn't help me to understand the page (because I'm blind,
: don't forget, and don't have too much conception of these things)
: and I don't know exactly what you look for first.
:
: OK: no doubt someone will come up with the goodies!  I hardly
: think this is a day's training and trainers may be better off the
: list if they're going to keep beefing about what they will and
: will not help with on list.
:
: George is a fine example of going that extra mile, by the way,
: and I'm sure glad he's around.
:
: Now, I'm not meaning to stick the knife at all, but it's my
: experience that some of us find this tech stuff pretty hard going
: these days and we need all the help we can get.
:
: Thanks to all those who give it willingly and free of charge.
:
: CAROL - who's sorry she sometimes just has to speak her mind!
:
: > ----- Original Message -----
: >From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:54:49 +0100
: >Subject: [access-uk] Re: Tesco.com/access order history
:
: >Hi Carol,
:
: >Absolutely not.  I consider it screen reader training, and some
: of us need
: >to make a living <Smile>.  But the trick is to get to know your
: table
: >navigation mode in JAWS.  It is certainly do-able in both screen
: readers.
: >Hal, I am not sure about, as I have never tried it.
:
: >All the best
: >--
: >Computer Room Services:  the long cane for blind computer users.
: >Telephone Low-call:  08452 606 277
: >International:  +44(0)1438 742286,
: >Fax:  +44(0)1438 759589
: >mobile:  +44(0)7956 334938,
: >Email:  mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >Web site:  http://www.comproom.co.uk
:
: >All the best
: >--
: >Computer Room Services:  the long cane for blind computer users.
: >Telephone Low-call:  08452 606 277
: >International:  +44(0)1438 742286,
: >Fax:  +44(0)1438 759589
: >mobile:  +44(0)7956 334938,
: >Email:  mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >Web site:  http://www.comproom.co.uk
:
: >-----Original Message-----
: >From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
: Behalf Of
: >Carol Pearson
: >Sent: 19 April 2006 22:59
: >To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >Subject: [access-uk] Re: Tesco.com/access order history
:
: >Steve,
:
: >I think the problem also may be that some of us don't really
: understand the
: >layout and some JAWS users have said they can't do it either,
: including
: >myself - so forget this "techy payment"
: >thing and just give us some pointers on the mailing list because,
: after all,
: >that's what most of us are here for!  <Smile
:
: >Carol
:
:
: >> ----- Original Message -----
: >>From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:40:28 +0100
: >>Subject: [access-uk] Re: Tesco.com/access order history
:
: >>Hi Sandra,
:
: >>You just need to use your table navigation keys to book a
: >delivery slot on
: >>the main site.  If you like, you can pay me a tenner plus VAT for
: >an hour's
: >>training, and I'll take you through it in real time on the phone.
: >It is not
: >>at all difficult.  There is really no reason at all to use that
: >crappy
: >>access site.
:
: >>All the best
: >>--
: >>Computer Room Services:  the long cane for blind computer users.
: >>Telephone Low-call:  08452 606 277
: >>International:  +44(0)1438 742286,
: >>Fax:  +44(0)1438 759589
: >>mobile:  +44(0)7956 334938,
: >>Email:  mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>Web site:  http://www.comproom.co.uk
:
: >>-----Original Message-----
: >>From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
: >Behalf Of
: >>Sandra Henshall
: >>Sent: 18 April 2006 18:09
: >>To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>Subject: [access-uk] Re: Tesco.com/access order history
:
: >>It's been nearly a year now since Tesco informed us that they
: >were amending
: >>the access site and were looking for volunteers to try it out.  I
: >put my
: >>name down at that time and they said they would contact me in two
: >weeks.
: >>They didn't and there was no new access site.  Now they say the
: >new access
: >>site will be up and running in July I think it is and once again
: >I put my
: >>name down to try it out.  Once again, no response from Tesco.  If
: >they don't
: >>want to run the access site, then why don't they make sure the
: >main site is
: >>totally accessible.  I do actually use the main site but pay for
: >my shopping
: >>on the access site because I haven't yet worked out how to book a
: >delivery
: >>slot on the main site.  It's about time they ditched the access
: >site
: >>altogether and made the main site screen reader friendly.
: >>Just my two pence worth.
:
: >>Cheers,
: >>Sandra.
:
: 

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