I change my phone once a year when I'm offered a free upgrade from Orange. Most people do don't they? I normally have to upgrade because the buttons on the number pad stop working properly and on the 6600 which I just upgraded from, the call button only functioned when I pressed it really really hard - to the extent that it hurt my finger too much. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Cassidy Sent: 16 July 2005 16:13 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Talx All good points Steve. How often are we going to change our phones? Not that often I think. Cheers, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:09 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Talx > Hi Kevin, > > But what you don't realise is that Freedom do do that anyway. They > get their money back by software maintenance agreement costs, and > charging the earth for JFW upgrades, rather than charging you for > transfers. And what about charging you just for remote access to > another PC? And what about charging you just because you are on XP > Pro, rather than Home? Oh yes, they do it, but in much more devious > ways <Smile>. > > All the best > -- > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk > > All the best > -- > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf > Of > kevin and emma > Sent: 15 July 2005 16:44 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Talx > > oh come on mark! if you bought a new pc you wouldn't expect to have to > pay > a > fee to access it if you already own a screenreader? the principle is the > same with talks. for all intense and purposes, talks is a cut down > screenreader aimed at mobile phones. look at it this way, JFW costs, what, > £650 or so? so using the talks example, if you boght an ew pc, you > wouldn't > be very happy if freedom scientific charged you another £220 despite > already > having paid the £650 for jfw!! > Kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me > via email/msn: > kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Threadgold" <m.j.threadgold@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 4:32 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Talx > > >> peter, >> >> This subject has gone round the houses time and time again in the >> three years i have had talks on my 9210i. >> >> The developers have to recoup their costs and perhaps even turn a >> profit > to >> enable continued development of the product. If the licencing of the >> software wasn't controlled it would be made freely available by >> someone > and >> they would never sell any ligitimate versions once a pirate version >> was >> on >> the web somewhere. >> >> There have been suggestions to tie the software licence to the sim >> card rather than the phone which is just as bad imho. >> >> moaning about it is not going to change any of this. If I chose to > upgrade >> my 9210i I would expect to have to pay for the software again and >> they >> are >> doing you a favor by not making you pay the whole price for each change > of >> phone you choose to have. You can also sell on the phone with the > licenced >> copy or you would then own two copies of talks. >> >> Mark Threadgold >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq