[access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge with WE after 10 years
- From: "Ian Beverley" <iancbev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:26:26 -0000
Hi
I fully take your point on the corporate issue. However, following the
usual norms in this area, I'd totally agree. However, I'd like to see
what time will bring with this one. The main thing that I found
impressive about the win-eyes side was its research and the way it beata
tested. Vista is certainly going to be a watermark for me as I
personally don't want to have to for the pro version just to make my
computer speak - again, we're in the testing game so should have some
good first hand experience of this beforehand.
Cheers
Ian.
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Dave Taylor
Sent: 27 December 2006 12:20
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge with WE after 10 years
Hi,
It is going to be hard for FS to pull back the gap now. They are only
part
of a large company that is more bothered about corporate marketing. On
the
global scale, GW don't really offer them any competition as they don't
have
anything like the product range, and FS are more interested in the range
rather tan just Jaws. In fact, I would guess they would be more
interested
in low vision products than blind products as they will make more money
from
them. I also think the climb down involved in releasing Jaws Standard
to
Media Centre, which is what they need to do would be too much. I don't
know
what the plans for flavours of Vista are, but I suspect most of us will
end
up on Jaws Pro as some point to get the most out of it. Jaws Standard is
more expensive than Wineyes Pro.
In terms of stability and bugs, I have been concerned about jaws ever
since
6.1 which is quite some time now, and even before that there was only
ever
the odd really good version, like 3.7u for instance.
The reasons GW have overtaken them so well in my view is that they have
a
team focussed entirely on Wineyes and will only make a new release when
they
think they are really ready. So they will work out what to try for a new
release, what people are asking for, what major releases are due, and
can
plan around all of that, without having to worry about a corporate
marketing
department.
Interestingly, I ended up getting some considerable money back for my
new PC
as they could only get ones with Media Centre edition now, and I'm using
Jaws Standard in 40 minute mode until I get round to transfering
everything
over. Jaws, though, so far has given me a couple of issues, whereas
Wineyes
works fantastically. However, here is the sting in the tail, so does
Thunder, and that's free! Thunder does seem to need a modern machine to
work
but is pretty good at what it does, and it is using a Viavoice voice as
well, so easier to understand than most things!
Over the past 8 years I would say, Wineyes has always had the odd
strength,
starting with stability and the internet, but these are seeming to
multiply,
so I can only see the gap getting wider.
Cheers
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Beverley" <iancbev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:54 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge with WE after 10 years
> Hi folks
>
> Very interested to follow the threads on Window-eyes over the last few
> months.
>
> It is good to see Jaws getting a real run for its money and in many
> instances overtaken. A more than effective competitor may make FS
pull
> up their boot straps and adopt a more progressive policy towards
future
> development of Jaws.
>
> The question that I pose in regards to Jaws 8 is that has this simply
> been rush released without the necessary level of testing and
> consultation? I've a demo copy and boy is it faulty! I'm also trying
> Window-eyes demo and am interested to see the differences. However, I
> don't at present see the need to panic and change over from one to the
> other.
>
> I'm a great believer in the circle effect in what comes around goes
> around so to speak. What I do hope is that what gwMicro/Window-eyes is
> doing at the moment makes FS re-visit its pricing policy and realise
> that they're turning away customers. I also hope that future Jaws
> development takes back the ground and hence there is some good healthy
> competition between the two - maybe this may help in pricing but lets
> watch this space.
> Just for fairness, Window-eyes is also available from the Force ten
> company.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ian.
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 27 December 2006 11:16
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge with WE after 10 years
>
> Hi Carol,
>
> You evidently didn't read my previous messages. The pound sign got
> mangled.
> Full version is 520.00 pounds. But I thought you already had a copy.
>
> All the best
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of
> Carol Pearson
> Sent: 27 December 2006 10:26
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge with WE after 10 years
>
> What Steve? Dollars - 3520.00?
>
> I'd want a lot of hand holding to upgrade, though I'd have liked to
have
> done so, but not at that price!
>
> --
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:06 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge with WE after 10 years
>
>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> The current price is =A3520.00.
>>
>> All the best
>> --
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>> Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277
>> International: +44(0)1438 742286,=20
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf =
>> Of
>> Andy Logue
>> Sent: 26 December 2006 21:25
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge with WE after 10 years
>>
>> Hi Dave.
>>
>> How much is it for the latest version then? My upgrade from jaws 6
to
> 8 =
>> is
>> almost =A3200. I paid about =A3150 two years ago to get up to
version
> =
>> 6. God
>> knows how much I've spent since version 4.
>>
>> Andy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 9:06 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Taking the plunge with WE after 10 years
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Well, having thought that the keyboard issue had been resolved in
> Jaws =
>> V8,
>>> last night, my ctrl key got locked on again, so as I'm also having
> the =
>> IE
>>> crashing issue, I have decided that after 10 years as a Jaws user,
> and =
>>
>>> even
>>> just having asked about ordering an upgrade, that I am not going =
>> through
>>> with that order and I will be converting to WE. I have been on
about
> =
>> the
>>> keyboard issues for over a year now and even though Sight and Sound
=
>> had
>>> duplicated them by Sight Village this year, FS still haven't seen
fit
> =
>> to
>>> look at it. I know that GW would have done! WE is catching up so
fast
> =
>> now=20
>>> as
>>> far as I can tell that I think it's the way to go now!
>>>
>>> I hope people in RNIB and other major organisations are doing the
> same =
>> as=20
>>> it
>>> must be affecting more than just me. I've had it on 3 completely =
>> different
>>> computers now, with 3 different flavours of Windows XP as well, so =
>> it's
>>> fairly fundamental!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>>
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