[access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge
- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 00:13:15 -0000
Amusing James, that take on Hot Keys. Hand't thought of 'hot' as
having that possible interpretation!
I have never been sure why GW have set their face so determinedly
against any sort of macro, even keyboard based ones. Doug. of GW
has always been stern in his oposition here, although in the days
of old when Vocal Eyes for DOS he did allow for the program to
co-operate with a macro processor. For a time I played around
with Quickeys for Windows, and never suffered any stability
problems. I was very tempted to buy it, but for the rather high
asking price of around £70. I think the approach used in
Quickkeys might have paid off for GW. It used a wizzard based
approach, and although I know wizzards have their limitations
when it comes to defining complex situations, i.e. you want y to
happen if x is true, otherwise... etc. I think a wizzard
approach could help quite a bit.
Of course GW has inovated quite a bit in its approach to Word,
and eventiually Office. Getting the info it needs directly from
the program surely has to be good for accuracy and thoroughness.
Some have said Apple maybe should have gone that route with its
upcoming integral screen reader.
Ray
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:02 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge
Oh yeah and I've just remembered. One day when I was starting to
learn to
useWindow-eyes with this typing teacher, we came across something
called
'hotkeys', but we decided to ignore them because we thought they
might be
dangerous and my teacher thought they would break the computer.
I wonder
why we didn't get much further.
James
----- Original Message -----
From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:58 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge
> Hi
>
> I think the idea of expecting other people to do Screen Reader
> comparisons
> is a little unfair - these pieces of software are so complex
> that it's
> very difficult to say whether one is 'better' than another.
> Also,
> independent reviewers have to e careful in what they say
> because they rely
> on the co-operaiton of the Screen REader manufacturers. I can
> only speak
> personally in saying that JAWS hasn't done anything in the last
> year to
> make me want to upgrade beyond version 4.51. Nowadays I fnd
> myself
> listening to Freedom Scientific presentations and thinking
> 'and?', 'so?'.
> But then I'm not sure I would have bought window-Eyes as a
> separate
> product, and there are definitely some situations where I'm
> pretty sure
> that JAWS scripting is really the only efficient way of using
> certain
> software. It would help if Window-Eyes would allow you to
> record simple
> keyboard macros.
>
> James
> -----
> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:05 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge
>
>
>> Andy. If its the 'truth' you are after about screen readers,
>> well, I have to say you are unlikely to get it. Its too bound
>> up
>> with personal preference and often people simply like what
>> they
>> have got used to using.
>>
>> I have warned earlier that the old hornets nest of pitting one
>> screen reader's advantages against another could errupt here
>> again, and very acromonious it has gotten in the past!
>>
>> You could do worse than to look at:
>>
>> The Key to the Information Age: A Review of Three Screen
>> Readers,
>> Part 1
>>
>> (And just in case that does not reproduce as a direct link,
>> then
>> try:
>>
>> http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw050304
>>
>>
>>
>> Which should take you directly to the page. Its an article
>> which
>> appeared in AccessWorld in the US in summer of last year, and
>> its
>> the first of a two part review. Out-of-date now of course
>> with
>> the advent of JAWS 6 and Window-Eyes 5, not to mention the
>> onward
>> progress of HAL.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> Personal emails: Email me at
>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andy" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:37 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Taking the plunge
>>
>>
>> Good on you James.
>>
>> I wish I had the courage to plunge in like that. However, I'd
>> really love
>> to hear the truth about screen readers. Is, for example, JAWS
>> a
>> better
>> screen reader than WindowEyes? How about someone doing a
>> study,
>> or a
>> competition, so that we will finally accept that the grass is
>> never greener
>> on the other side, and we have probably now accepted our
>> preference, in
>> terms of screen readers! I've a copy of WindowEyes and I am a
>> JAWS user,
>> but I've never bothered to sit down and get to know WindoEyes.
>> I'm Smitten.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes.
>> Andy from sunny Kilcreggan.
>>
>> Drop me a wee line at:
>> andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:47 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Taking the plunge
>>
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I've just received my Copy of Window-Eyes which was included
>>> with the
>>> Brailliant Braille Display that I purchased. The last time I
>>> used
>>> Window-eyes I was being taught by a typing teacher who was
>>> very
>>> nice, but
>>> always yearning for the era of mechanical typewriters. We
>>> were
>>> battling
>>> with Window Eyes in aroudn 1998, but came to the conclusion
>>> that it wasn't
>>> very good, most probably because neither of us knew the first
>>> thing about
>>> screen reading or computers. I've been using JAWS more or
>>> less
>>> since
>>> then, but it will be interesting to see how the latest
>>> version
>>> of WE
>>> performs on a better system now I know what I'm doing. If
>>> I'm
>>> reasonably
>>> satisfied with WE then I think I'll just maintain that, and
>>> keep my
>>> existing JAWS for applications where I need to do scripting
>>> etc. It will
>>> be interesting to finally find out whether all the great
>>> things
>>> said about
>>> Window Eyes on here are really true!
>>>
>>> Seeyer later
>>>
>>> James
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