[access-uk] Re: TV licensing again

Hi Richard and Barbara,
My lawyer pal, who incidentally thinks it is very poorly drafted legislation, says that the licensing authority argue that if you have a "device" then it is presumed you can watch and therefore you must pay. She also thought that they would never prosecute a household with just blind people resident in it because the supreme court would ultimately rule that this "was not what the legislators intended."
Maybe the RNIB should have a test case?
Would In Touch know the answer?
Jeff
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Yes, that's what I thought too, but it's not what the TV licensing page
says, which is that you need a licence to watch.  Strange eh?


Richard Godfrey-McKay

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-----Original Message-----
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Barbara Wilson
Sent: 10 November 2011 13:52
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: TV licensing again

That's what I always thought.

Barbara


-----Original Message-----
From: jeff flint
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:55 PM
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Hi Barbara
A lawyer friend told me yesterday that the law is if you possess a device
capable of receiving TV, not if you actually watch it, which is the issue.
I had a sighted friend who was prosecuted successfully because he a
computer, he really never watched TV, but he could have.
Jeff
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:43 PM
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Also remember that even if you don't need a licence for a sound receiver,
you do if you watch online. Sorry if this has rleady been said.

Barbara

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Hi John,

Where is this from?  The RNIB Goodmans product page?

Regards,
Barry.

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Of john coley
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 8:10 PM
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: TV licensing again

Hi Kevin, I've pasted below what it says. Note, although the heading is
sound only receivers it refers to a digi box, none of which are sound
only.

Sound only receivers
You do not require a TV licence if you use a digital set-top box solely
to listen to television programmes through a hi-fi or stereo system. The
set top box must be incapable of recording and must not be connected to a

device capable of showing images.


                   John.




----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: TV licensing again


This is correct,  you need a TV license if you equipment that can get a
picture.

It don't matter if you don't have a screen connected and I don't think
the
Rnib actually said you didn't need a license if you don't have a screen.

The only way you don't have to get a license is if you use something
that
can only get the sound a TV receiver,  this has always been the case.

I think if your blind you get the license half price anyway.

So If the rnib have actually said you don't need a license with the
smart
box they are wrong I know I am sticking my neck out saying this but I
have
spoken to lots of people over the years and I know we get the sound free
but not the picture.

I can't remember when this was written up I think it's an old wireless
telegraphy rule dating back to 1948 I am not going to post any more
about
this this was my findings.

And if I am now wrong fare enough I would love to be proved wrong but I
don't think I am wrong.

On 09/11/2011 14:47, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:
When I looked at this quite some years ago, the licence was required if
you
possessed equipment capable of receiving a TV transmission. Look as if
they're saying that that position hasn't changed.
Richard


Richard Godfrey-McKay

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john coley
Sent: 09 November 2011 14:06
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Subject: [access-uk] TV licensing again

Hi everybody, a few months or so ago there was a thread regarding the
Goodmans Smarttalk freeview box, and whether or not a licence was
required
if someone was using the box for sound only, with no TV plugged into
it,
just speakers.
   The general consensus was that a licence wouldn't be required.
Checking on
the RNIB website seemed to confirm that.
   As that applies to me I rang the TV licensing authority today to
cancel my
direct debit. I explained the situation to them, and told them what the
RNIB
had to say on the matter, and the guy, having gone away to check came
back
and said that since the box could receive a tv signal at time of
broadcast I
would require a licence, whether a TV was connected to the box or not.
   Further to that he said that if I had a computer in my home I'd
require a
TV licence, since a computer has the potential of receiving TV
broadcasts.
   Since this was completely at odds with what the RNIB said, and what
posters to this list had said I rang the RNIB to check. I haven't heard
back
from them yet, but it will be interesting to see what they say.
   According to the guy at TV licensing the only circumstance in which
a
license isn't required would be if the box wasn't able to receive a
picture,
and was a sound only receiver. Mind you, given what the guy said about
the
need for a licence if there was a computer at the address it sounds as
if
everyone needs one, since if computers do so would mobiles, since they
also
have the potential to receive a TV signal.
                     John.

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