[access-uk] Re: Sight Village
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:19:25 +0100
Hi Amro,
We can read computer and TV screens. We can only read screens on MP3
players and digital displays if the back light stays on long enough to take
the picture. Some back lights go off very quickly. But as a rule, yes, we
can read displays. Not perfectly always, but we can read them.
All the best
Teve
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Amro Bilal
Sent: Tuesday 22 July 2008 13:03
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
OK. a question please. Can any of SiRecogniser and K-Reader deal with text
on screens as yet? These products sound quite good, but, until they are able
to handle text on displays they won't attempt me personally that much to be
honest.
Any thoughts?
Amro
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
> All
>
> I'm happy to compare SiRecogniser with K-Reader from purely a personal
> perspective in terms of usability, simply because I am interested in both.
> I sincerely hope one day to see SiRecogniser if I can manage to do so.
> But I'm not entering into any battle or dual as I think these things can
> be unprofessional and a bit childish to be frank. I am sure they both
> have their place, and it will be interesting to see how each develops.
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> Braille Support Adviser
>
> Email: Jackie.Cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>
> Welton House North Wing
>
> Summerhouse Road
>
> Moulton Park
>
> Northampton
>
> NN3 6WD
>
> Telephone: 0845 6347979
>
> or
>
> Telephone: 01604 798070
>
> Fax: 01604 798090
>
> Web: www.sightandsound.co.uk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of phil stephenson
> Sent: 22 July 2008 11:06
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
> Dave,
>
> I really must resubscribe to Infotech!!
>
> Main problem for me is wasn't able to make it to sight Village this year
> as have just come home from training with my new guide dog.
>
> Still I'm sure the discussion will rumble on...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Ankers, Dave (UK)
> Sent: 22 July 2008 10:51
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Well I have to tell you, Brian and Terry of T&T, have tested the Si
> recogniser, and were very impressed, and also the early version of the K
> reader, not the phone version! and were not impressed at all. These
> reports maybe available to those who subscribe to InfoTech.
>
> Jackie, I have seen the Si recogniser in action at sight village last
> year, and it is indeed very impressive, and you'd like the nice Italian
> man who sells it too lol. I'm waiting for it to become available on a
> mobile phone and then it will depend on price as to whether or not I buy
> one.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave
>
> Hi jackie / Steve,
>
> Very interesting thread this...but taking up George's earlier suggestion
> about a "battle of.." approach, what about seeing if someone like Brian
> Hartjen would be interested in doing a comparison for infotech or the T &
> T podcast....or better still what about teaming up to do a workshop /
> "battle of" at the RNIB Techshare conference if they're having one this
> November, I seem to remember Brian and Terry did such a thing for pacmate
> vs Braillenote.
>
> Anyway just a suggestion...!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Jackie Cairns
> Sent: 22 July 2008 08:40
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
> Ah! Steve me boy! I work now, like you, so I can't just come over to you
> at an exhibition and hang around while you demo stuff to a throng of
> waiting hopefuls. (smile). I'd love to see SiRecogniser in action, and
> bring the K-Reader to compare it, purely out of interest I have to say,
> not to be smug about it. I'm sure they both have different needs for
> different situations.
> And it's good to know that there is competition out there to hopefully
> make both products even better.
>
> That's about as diplomatic as it gets for me. (smile).
>
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> Braille Support Adviser
>
> Email: Jackie.Cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>
> Welton House North Wing
>
> Summerhouse Road
>
> Moulton Park
>
> Northampton
>
> NN3 6WD
>
> Telephone: 0845 6347979
>
> or
>
> Telephone: 01604 798070
>
> Fax: 01604 798090
>
> Web: www.sightandsound.co.uk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 21 July 2008 21:44
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
> Hi Jackie,
>
> Just one comment, I too can take the mini PC to the kitchen. You haven't
> seen it yet, even now, though I have given you the offer of demos <Smile>.
> I still reckon the battle of the readers would be fun.
>
> All the best
>
> STeve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Jackie Cairns
> Sent: Monday 21 July 2008 08:45
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
> Hi Steve
>
> I've used it for lots of different things. I've got names off medication
> packets to differentiate them, and whether I'm opening beans or spaghetti!
> I agree some of it is tricky to do, but it isn't impossible if you are on
> your own and need the information. And Steve me boy, it also means I can
> take the phone into my kitchen and raid the cupboards, not have to cart
> the produce to the scanner!!!! (smile).
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> Braille Support Adviser
>
> Email: Jackie.Cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>
> Welton House North Wing
>
> Summerhouse Road
>
> Moulton Park
>
> Northampton
>
> NN3 6WD
>
> Telephone: 0845 6347979
>
> or
>
> Telephone: 01604 798070
>
> Fax: 01604 798090
>
> Web: www.sightandsound.co.uk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 20 July 2008 23:29
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
> Hi Jackie,
>
> But will K Reader read round corners, like cylinders, bottles, etc? I am
> genuinely interested, since all I have read about it says that it is
> designed to read text from paper rather than objects.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Jackie Cairns
> Sent: Sunday 20 July 2008 21:27
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
> Hi Steve
>
> What you do with K-Reader is scan the page again. I go by the degrees
> relative to the page when I scan. The lower the number, usually the
> better I've done in taking a picture. You can use the View Report Field,
> but personally I just shoot and shoot again if necessary. I think it's
> absolutely fab to be able to have something so portable in my pocket.
> TALKS
>
> on the phone, reading software, GPS, MP3 player with full track access?
> Blimey it's awesome!! Never having seen the SiRecogniser, I wouldn't doubt
> you for a single minute, but it has a lot of clobber to it that is
> cumbersome at the moment. As you say, "at the moment".
>
> Jackie
>
> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:58 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
>
>> Hi Orhan,
>>
>> Basically, to be fair, the main difference is that you have far more
>> control of the camera with SiRecognizer. For example, if you are
>> scanning a tin and you don't get good results, you can invert the
>> video, you can tell Recognizer that you are scanning something
>> cylindrical, and there are all kinds of pre-filters you can try to get
>> better results. K-Reader is a kind of snap it and see solution. It
>> works well, but if you don't get a good scan, you don't have much
>> control to improve on it.
>>
>> I am sure Jackie will correct me about that if I am wrong, but there
>> are nine pre-filter steps you can go through with Recognizer to
>> improve the results, and it has three built-in scanning engines, which
>> is why it is not on a phone yet. Too much grunt on the processor
>> would be required.
>> Recognizer is undoubtedly the best reading solution for objects out
>> there, but it is certainly not as portable.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of orhan deniz
>> Sent: Saturday 19 July 2008 10:15
>> To: Steve Nutt
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>> What is the difference of this thing compared to the KNFB reader?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Orhan.
>> --
>> Orhan Deniz.
>> E-mail:
>> orhan.deniz63@xxxxxxxxx
>> MSN/Windows Live ID:
>> orhan1793@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype:
>> orhan.deniz63
>> Blog:
>> http://worldandother.wordpress.com
>> Twitter:
>> http://www.twitter.com/kvp2008
>> Last.fm! Profile:
>> http://last.fm/user/orhandeniz1993
>> On Friday, 18 July 2008 8:16:24 PM, Steve Nutt Wrote:
>>> Hi Jackie,
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Course, you didn?t see the most interesting product, SiRecognizer
>>> <Smile>.
>>> It?s like K Reader, but it works <Smile>.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> All the best
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>>
>>
>>> _____
>>
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf
>> Of
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: Friday 18 July 2008 07:44
>>> To: Access UK Mailing List
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Sight Village
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Hi All
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Can I just thank all those who came to say hello at Sight Village
>>> this
>> week.
>>> It was lovely to put voices to some very familiar names on the list.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I didn't get much of a chance to wander around because of strutting
>>> my
>> stuff
>>> on the Sight and Sound stand, but I did have enough time to pop over
>>> to
>> the
>>> Cobolt stand, and look at their new ITell gadget. For anyone who
>>> doesn't know about this, it is a small device that plugs into the
>>> bottom of an
>> Ipod
>>> that enables us mortals with little or no sight to use the Ipod with
>> speech.
>>> I thought this was a really interesting gadget. It doesn't work on
>>> either the Shuffle or Itouch, but all the other models seem to
>>> support it. The only thing that concerns me, however, is how one
>>> would transfer material from their PC to the Ipod if Itunes software
>>> isn't accessible. Perhaps
>> some
>>> who do this already would like to elaborate as it might potentially
>>> be a stumbling block.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> The ITell retails at £59.95 I believe, but I thought it was the most
>>> interesting gadget other than the K-Reader phone, of course! (smile).
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Anyone else see anything interesting and "different" this year?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Jackie
>>
>>
>>> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
>>> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
>>
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