[access-uk] Searching the Internet -- was: First Guide dog
- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:53:49 +0100
Hi Andy,
I hope your search with Google is productive.
http://www.google.co.uk
Note that I've used the British .co.uk Google site as
opposed to the global .com one. It recognises you are from
the U.K. and helps narrow down some of the searches.
Another tip I found useful, which only applies of you speak
a foreign language, is that as often as not there are Google
sites is many countries, for example google.fr for France,
.de for Germany, .dk for Denmark and so on.
The four other important things I have learned (for my
purposes anyway) are:-
1) If you want two or more specific words to be found on
the one page, put a plus sign in front of each. Otherwise
it will find articles which have one or the other, and not
specifically both.
2) A similar rule applies if a search produces too much,
where you can put in a minus sign to specifically exclude a
word.
3) If you are looking for something like "guide dogs" as in
for the blind, put it in quotes, then it will look for that
exact phrase.
4) And, especially if you are shopping, the most important
one of all is often to find and select the "pages from the
UK" radio button before you activate the search. You'll
still get foreign ones creeping in, but far, far fewer.
It's surprising how soon you learn to do pretty accurate
searches which get results in literally seconds.
George.
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Logue
Sent: 26 August 2006 21:10
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: First Guide dog
Hi again George
I'm getting pretty impatient and grumpy myself and getting
worse as the years flash by.
Your explanation of how to use Google with the plus signs
was an education.
I'll need to try out your method on a couple of searches
that I need to do later myself.
Getting back to the theme of our discussion George, I take
your point that people could answer their own enquiries
simply by knowing how to go about it and I admit that
reading repetitive messages concerning basic functions, must
get some people thrustrated. God knows, I'm the worst for
that - Always asking silly questions and never responding to
others. However, to highlight a particular problem on a
list such as this, provides an opportunity for other people
to learn. If we were all to respond to enquiries off-list,
then this would be a pretty boring and meaningless list.
For example, I'm not too concerned about, for instance,
Skype, at the moment, but by reading or rather, listening to
response messages, I'm learning all the time.
Best wishes, as always.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:54 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: First Guide dog
> Hi Andy,
>
> My response wasn't meant to be narrow minded by any means.
>
> Yes indeed I admit that I am becoming rather old, decrepit
> and as you have pointed out, impatient.
>
> However, I do see many questions on many lists, where I'd
> love to be able to show the questioner how to use a search
> engine. More often than not, you'll get the answer in
half
> the time it took to type out the message asking the
> question.
>
> I'm seriously lazy (or just short of time) so I use just
> one. http://www.google.co.uk.
>
> So I type in the following into the search field.
>
> +"Holiday Inn" +"East Kilbride" +broadband
>
> The + sign means that I am looking for something which
MUST
> be included. The quotes surrounding two or more words,
mean
> they must be found as shown, not as individual words.
>
> The Second one that comes up says:
>
> "Hotel in East Kilbride Holiday Inn East Kilbride. A Hotel
> in East Kilbride, Glasgow, Scotland ... Wireless Broadband
> Internet Access from rooms; Services; Guest Laundry
Service
> ..."
>
> So you can see that all the words or expressions I
searched
> for are there. I really don't need to go any further.
>
> Click on that link, and bingo, up comes a page where under
> "Facilities" it says "Wireless Broadband Internet Access
> from rooms".
>
> I am all for support, Andy, and I do try and give people
> answers, but there are times when my inbread Scottish
> impatience get the better of me.
>
> "Help those who help themselves"
>
> (Look that one up in Google! Smile)
>
> George.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Logue
> Sent: 26 August 2006 00:58
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: First Guide dog
>
> Hi George.
>
> I believe that Peter's question was a legitimate question
> to ask on this list. Of course he does have the
> intelligence to lift a telephone and make enquiries,
> concerning the services available to guide dog trainees,
but
> did it not occur to you that perhaps, he valued the
> experiences of other list members, who may have undergone
> training at the same venue?
>
> To respond by simply suggesting that he could try
> telephoning to make enquiries, I believe, was very narrow
> minded and petty George. Actually, I'm getting pretty
sick
> of reading similar responses, particularly from yourself,
to
> other list members, who may ask legitimate questions, that
> obviously irritates you, and subsequently results in an
> abrupt or arrogant response.
> If this list is about anything George, it's about
supporting
> visually impaired people and I'd have hoped, that given
> your experience of visual impairment over the years, , you
> could have been a little more positive and supportive to
> Peter's enquiry.
>
>
> Andy Logue
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:17 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: First Guide dog
>
>
>> Why don't you phone or e-mail then and ask?
>>
>> George.
>>
>> Holiday Inn
>> GLASGOW-EAST KILBRIDE
>> STEWARTFIELD WAY
>> EAST KILBRIDE, G74 5LA
>> SCOTLAND
>>
>> Hotel Reservations: 0870 400 9093
>> Hotel Front Desk: 44-1355-236300
>>
>> Hotel Fax: 44-1355-233552
>>
>>
>> Email: sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter
>> Sent: 25 August 2006 18:55
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] First Guide dog
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Ernie is a beautiful golden labrador and will be my first
>> guide dog. In two weeks I take possession of Ernie at the
>> Holiday Inn at East Kilbride near Glasgow. Does anyone
> know
>> if the Holiday In in East Kilbride has internet
> connectivity
>> ?
>>
>> Peter Logue
>> From beautiful Dumbarton on the river Clyde.
>>
>> MSN:peter_paul_logue@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Website:
>> http://www.sightconnections.com/radio/scotland.htm
>>
>>
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