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  • From: "Vince Thacker" <vince@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:57:46 +0100

I seem to have read this before, or a similar alarmist account of what Vista will be like. It can't be any worse than what's gone before, and we've all survived up to now.

I started with an Amstrad 1512 all that time ago, and that came with at least 3 different operating system, or things that looked like operating systems. DOS, DosPlus, and Gem. What fun for the beginning computer user! If you had the strength to lift the manual, it was all eventually explained, but I'm glad I realised fairly soon that DOS was the thing. Just to make things even clearer, the only training I was getting at the time was a night class, where they used the BBC B. Quite logically, I wanted a computer at home to get to grips with this new technology, and naturally bought a Commodore Amiga.

Somehow I made good use of all these systems, and me only a simple country lad. I'm glad I homed in on MS-DOS and made a big deal of learning all those grim commands - I can still use it on my XP system to this day.

But the main point is that that I'm sure we'll be all right - just don't panic! It does seem a lot of your familiar hotkeys will still work, even if there is a new set as well. As there's only an early beta to play with, it's hard to know what the final product will look like, so my reaction att the moment is to chill and not worry about it until some time later.

Vince.
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For those who fear the eventual release of Vista, well, maybe you'd better
not read on.  For those made of stronger stuff well, it might be a
challenge.

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Hi all, I thought this article on windows vista was interesting, so I
thought I'd pass it along.

The Ranger Station (Blog)
Saturday, May 20, 2006

Your Gonna Flip In 3D When You Alt Tab In Windows Vista

By Ranger1138

So for the last two years I have been saying that Vista is going
to be a real learning curve for a
lot of Assistive Technology users out there. And I have stayed
stead fast in my belief that all
currently active AT Venders will find ways, upgrades or patches
to make their products work with
Vista. Either 3 hours, days or months after Vista emerges for
said updates but it will happen. After
all Windows is the standard in our industry and our lives.
Therefore to make money everyone must be
Vista compatible.

With all that said I have also stuck to my guns that the biggest
issue regarding Vista for those who
use alternative screen access hardware and software will be the
fun, okay frustration that will come
in getting to know the new desktop and features of Vista. Case in
point below:

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_ff_flip.asp

Now the Windows Key will play a role in tabbing from one place to
another. Pretty neat eh?

You must be saying to yourself "I'm blind so why do I even care
what happens with all this 3d stuff
anyways". And that's not wrong of you to think that. However we
are now moving forward in such a way
that putting your machine back to "Windows Classic" hurts you
competitively in the work place.

See everyone else will be doing this 3d thing and more. And that
spills over to things like
technical support or simple navigation. You just saw above that
ALT + Tab now has a friend in
Windows + Tab. And that is just a smidge of the changes in store
for you in Windows Vista. The way
you navigate through Windows Explorer is even diferent. So again
retreating to Classic Mode won't
save you from having to learn new hotkeys and methods of doing
what you do now in a general Windows
session.

Here's the real part that will get some steamed. The real losers
in the next round of Windows won't
be the totally blind. You read that right. Believe it or not low
vision users will actually find it
harder than those guys using that JAWS stuff. Now listen to me a
bit longer before you throw a big
old rock my way.

Screen Readers have come a long way in detecting multiple items
on any given screen at one time.
Virtual cursors, buffers, quick navigation keys,, modes and lists
abound that can now give the
Screen Reader user a leg up on navigating various applications.
Low Vision users who rely on Screen
Magnification programs, however, either must track accross vast
areas of a page or resort to just
looking at the center of the page with hopes that the info they
are seeking is there in easy reach.
And Vista prefers that you use a widescreen display [although
this is no longer required now to run
Vista] which in turn means that low vision users are now looking
at a smaller amout of the screen
than in prior versions of Windows. Think "Square in side of a
rectangle" and you see that even at 2x
a larger portion of the screen is not visible when you compare XP
to Vista. I will go one further by
saying that the minimum resolution continues to rise so even 800
by 600 isn't the way to go because
I doubt you can even get the display that low in the next round
of flat panel monitors without
making things look really distorted.

But that's not all . You see along with the Windows Taskbar Vista
has a Windows Sidebar. The sidebar
runs along the left or right of the screen and it displays a
whole host of information that is not
even closely related to what's shown on the Taskbar. RSS feed
updates, instant messaging and tons of
stuff that used to show up in various balloons at the bottom of
the screen will now reside on the
Sidebar. Better yet shortcuts to applications will sit there too.
Some are similar to what we have
now in the Quick Launch bar. Progress bars, battery meters, USB
sync and other things that run
actively can be seen on the Sidebar as well. Need the current
weather? Just click on the Sidebar for
a live updated look at what's going on around you outside. Mac
users call these little programs
Widgets and Vista users will call them Gadgets.

Let's take a step back though for a second. An example of how
hard life will be can be illustrated
below. First let's set the stage. We have two users on the same
Vista machine and the settings are
the current big flashy 3D Arrow Glass interface we read about
earlier in that above link. There is a
widescreen monitor at 75% of it's normal resolution and the
Screen Magnification person is at 5x and
the Screen Reader person has a Vista enabled Screen Reader. The
lights come up on each viewing a
Google Desktop like program for work. Visually the screen has
three columns of text in the center
with a row of links on either side of the page.

We see that the Screen Reader user ignores "Say All" and quickly
jumps from column to column with
quick navigation keys. They then jump to the specific link they
want which sits right in the middle
of the left side of the page through a list of links generated in
a easy to navigate list by the
Screen Reader it's self. For an encore quick navigation keys are
used again to jump focus to the
Windows Sidebar and the person then gets a Podcast that's been
recently downloaded by Juice.

The Screen Magnification user finds that things are a lot more
slow going for him. Not only is he
losing his place on which one of the three columns he is reading
from but he has to scroll the mouse
over to the Sidebar to find if the same Podcast is ready for him.
And he has gone through the
trouble of memorizing how many links down on the left side of the
screen he needs to be to find that
one special one found by the Screen Reader user in seconds. His
brains came out of his ears as well
as he gave up on using his Split Screen CCTV which gives him only
half of the computer display and
half of the CCTV display.

The scenario above is quite real. And again I say that the Screen
Magnifier user must be prepared to
wear out a dozen mousepads that will come from excessive
scrolling, zooming and panning due to all
that stuff being on the screen at one time.

Still holding that rock? Is it heavy? Okay but I need you to hold
it just a little more.

The future trend in the Web 2.0 metaverse will be to have as much
info on the screen as possible. It
looks cluttered and ugly as all hell but people love it none the
less. I have actually seen a stock
ticker, news feed, a small box with video, a download progress
bar and two columns of text displayed
all at the same time in one Vista demonstration. Is this the
norm? Heck no, however, it's possible
which means that it could be the norm very very soon.

While Screen Reader users are at a disadvantage at first in any
new application or document a Screen
Magnifier user [at higher levels of magnification especially] is
slower at taking in the entire view
of any given environment. And I don't mind placing a bet on the
Screen Reader user at all in a race
in applications that they know intimately.

The first rule in making something `accessible` is to build the
program from the ground up with
accessibility in mind. The old "build ramps rather than stairs so
you don't go back and build ramps
later on" philosophy. And when we take the rose covered glasses
off we know from our past experience
that this rarely ever happens. So the task then becomes the long
job of modifying something without
breaking it down. I.E.: Windows Classic.

You shouldn't have to lose functionality to make something more
accessible. Moreover, you shouldn't
hinder yourself by taking away features and options that others
will be using on a regular basis. I
beat the XP Desktop Vs. Classic Windows argument drum pretty
loudly in my work. And that's because
with the jobs I have helped to make accessible rarely can you
take a machine back to Classic without
it causing problems. But not from the mechanical or technical
front.

Generally those darn sighted people get used to working in that
big graphical world. And
communicating with them means that you need to be in that world
or at least know what they are
talking about when you retreat back to the land of Classic
Windows. You can no longer expect the
world to come round to the way Windows 98 looks and feels when
it's about to be 2007 in six months.
Oh and here's a little hint. Windows 98 will lose it's support
from just about everyone when Vista
rolls around.

The circle is now complete. While we know for a solid fact at
some point some day your access
program of choice will work with Vista you and only you will be
the stumbling block on the road to
using Windows Vista.

I don't say that sarcastically or with malice either. With each
new flavor of Windows we have seen
more and more complexity involved in what the Operating System
can do natively. The computer has
gone from being a big calculator and holder of simple data bases
to the current portal to the world
of music, movies and information found on the internet. Wireless
communication has increased the
ease of setting up a network as well. And Vista takes all of that
into consideration and more. So be
prepared to learn a whole lot more than hotkeys over the next
year as this is virtually the tip of
the proverbial iceberg.

And yes.. you can put down that rock if you want..

NOTE:

I wrote this post as a pre cursor to a major presentation I am
doing on Vista. I'm sure more of my
diatribe on this subject will cross over from work to Blog. Just
ignore the preachy ness of this and
some other posts over the next month as they are written for a
less tech savvy audience at my day
job.

posted by Ranger1138 at Saturday, May 20, 2006


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