[access-uk] Re: RNIB

  • From: "Paul Leake" <paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:31:49 -0000

if they sold certain products more cheaply thereby undercutting suppliers, then what? the issue for me is can they support the products they sell, that is the crucial question? 


Cheers

Paul

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----- Original Message ----- From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB
They are a non profit organisation. They are not allowed to sell for profit. 
That's it and all about it. It doesn't matter a damn if you think they
should be able to. Yes, they can make money from other sources, but not by
selling products for profit. Or do you think it's fine for them to do
whatever they want to get money?
                   John.

                   John.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Keen" <gordonkeen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB


I am in no way a RNIB fan boy but where do you think they get the moneys
required to run their educational establishments and other services?
Some funds undoubtedly come from the state by way of grants but not all and 
they have to raise the shortfall from other sources.

I can not say that I always agree with the way they spend the money they
raise, a lot of the tech projects are just a waste of time - who can forget the ill fated electronic newspaper debacle, and I believe that they are too 
top heavy in their management structure but that is another argument.

Regards

G

From glorious Devon, England
On 20 Nov 2009, at 19:52, john coley wrote:


That's the point. They make a profit. As a non profit organisation they
are not allowed to. You have just said so much yourself.
                  John.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie"
<ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:33 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB



They are a nonn-profit organisation in that they do not exist to make a
profit.

Iain

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From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:21 PM
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB



They shouldn't in that case claim to be a non profit organisation. The
fact that you agree with it is immaterial. It is dishonest.
                  John.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie"
<ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB



No, I am not shocked and I think it only right that RNIB should sell
goods at the same price as other suppliers. We should remember that
Selling is only part of the work which RNIB does and even here there
are many areas of subsidy. If we take books for example, a book is
genrally sold by RNIB at the same price as the print version. However,
the cost of producing that book is much greater than the print. If we
were to be charged the same price for audio books as the general market 
price, I don't think many of us would be buying too many of them.
Personally, I think there is too much of the expecting to get things
cheaper within the blind community.

Iain

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From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:03 PM
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [access-uk] RNIB



Hi everybody, I learnt something the other day that shocked me. It's
something that affects many of us. The RNIB as a charity is supposed
to be a non profit organisation.
When I was researching prices of a product recently I found it strange that the RNIB charged the same as other suppliers. I took it up with a 
friend at the RNIB, who confirmed to me that yes, they do make the
same profit as other suppliers, but given their status as a non profit 
organisation they're not allowed to call it profit, so call it
contribution.
Given that any financial gain made on sale of something is profit
whatever they choose to call it it comes down to the same thing.
It would be interesting to know how officially they reconcile being a
non profit organisation with their operating as a profit making one,
that profit being made from those people they profess to be helping.
                  John.


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