[access-uk] Re: Problems with Listen Again

Glad you seem to be getting your Listen Again problems sorted Andy.

A quick search on Google suggests the JAWS bypass key is insert-F3, but the 
shifted and enter combination suggested by Peter Beasley is better.

I am trying Alistair King's Listen Again interface and it is indeed good if you 
want a more straightforward interface, although if you know your screen reader 
it shouldn't really be necessary.  The volume control is a nice touch as in the 
glorious Beeb player you only get to adjust volume in 20% increments as I 
recall.  Only thing that irks me about it is there's no fast forward, by 
increments or slider control, that I can discover.

I have turned off the Google popup stopper and seem to be none the worse off 
for that.  The MS pop up blocker in IE seems to catch them all for me, and 
being MS it should know about MSAA, forms mode, browse mode, call it what you 
will.  This is the problem.  Many, if not all third party stoppers don't know 
about MSAA so get in the way with screen reders.

I guess as much as the expert users amongst us may try to dismiss Alistair 
Ing's work producing basic easierto use interfaces, it surely points to where 
many users are with their knowledge of their screen readers and the software 
they are using.  I've grown used to the Beeb's rather cumbersome RP interface 
and its multitude of links.  I guess cramming all those links and genre options 
into the interface makes it more of a challenge than many screen readers want 
to face.
Ray

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


| Hi Ray.  Yes.  You were right.  Just before I pressed the enter key on the 
| Listen Again URL, I held down the left shift key and it worked.  Not only 
| did I get the show I wanted but I was taken to the BBC Radio Player.  So are 
| you saying that Pop-Up-Killer may be causing this?  Actually, I wouldn't 
| mind too much having to hold down the shift key, the only problem would be 
| if I was required to do this on every link!
| 
| Best wishes.
| Andy from a windy Kilcreggan.
| ----- Original Message ----- 
| From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley@xxxxxxxxx>
| To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:55 PM
| Subject: [access-uk] Re: Problems with Listen Again
| 
| 
| > It sounds to me as though that is exactly what it is.  It is probably 
| > nothing to do with the screenreader .  At one time I had the google 
| > toolbar installed and used to have this problem.  I think you can let 
| > things through by holding down the shift key when you pres enter.
| > ----- Original Message ----- 
| > From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:47 PM
| > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Problems with Listen Again
| >
| >
| >> idd you try my suggestion of using the JAWS bypass key before pressing 
| >> enter on the link?  It sounds to me as if that fould very likely be the 
| >> solution.  You could have an ad-popup blocker that isn't letting the 
| >> keystroke through.  this is what cured it for me with Window-Eyes.  The 
| >> Google popup blocker was getting in the way there.
| >> Ray
| >>
| >> Personal emails:  Email me at
| >> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
| >>
| >> ----- Original Message ----- 
| >> From: "Andy" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >>
| >> | Hi all and thanks for all the advice guys.
| >> |
| >> |
| >> | There is something quite wrong here with JAWS and the BBC's Listen 
| >> Again
| >> | service.  Every time I click on the link to listen again, I hear a 
| >> definite
| >> | click from my speakers and nothing happens.  Today, I got to the link, 
| >> then
| >> | turned JAWS off and pressed enter on the link and it worked!  However,
| >> | rather than be taken to the particular file I wanted to listen to, I 
| >> arrived
| >> | at the Radio Player Page.  If I have got to turn JAWS off, every time I 
| >> wish
| >> | to listen again to a broadcast, then I'd not bother doing it this way. 
| >> I
| >> | have, in my mind, two other options.  One of these is to use the BBC's 
| >> Radio
| >> | Player and a list member has kindly provided me with the link to this. 
| >> I
| >> | attempted this this morning but ended up on a page with blank tables 
| >> and I
| >> | could not understand how to use it.  My other option and this is my
| >> | favourite at the moment, is to save the url's to the particular shows 
| >> that
| >> | I'd listen again to and place these on a web-page on my computer.  I am
| >> | currently building such a web-page and in my view, it's much easier. 
| >> For
| >> | example, if I wanted to listen live to Radio 2, all I'd need to do is 
| >> bring
| >> | up my web-page with a single key-stroke and tab down to a link titled 
| >> Listen
| >> | to Radio 2.  In total, I could listen to radio 2 with less than four
| >> | key-strokes.  Alternatively, I could listen again, for example, to Bob
| >> | Harris's show with another tab or two.  I'm really quite sick running 
| >> around
| >> | in circles on web-pages, listening to my speakers clicking and getting
| >> | nothing for my efforts.  I'm happy to try again to understand the BBC's
| >> | Radio Player but this far, there has been little discussion on this 
| >> list as
| >> | how to set everything up.  It's just so complicated.  The web-page 
| >> which I
| >> | am building, and incidentally, I can send it to anyone who would like 
| >> to try
| >> | it out, has very few links.  For instance I have links to listen live 
| >> to BBC
| >> | Radio 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.  I have Listen Again links to Bob Harris's 
| >> show,
| >> | Simon Maeoy's show and have included further links to listen to Main 
| >> Menu,
| >> | and tTheBlind Col Tec page.  I can of course add to these urls later 
| >> when I
| >> | come across a good show.  I can also add my TV listings and include TV 
| >> if I
| >> | wanted.  Perhaps the BBC's Radio Player is a good option, but I'd be 
| >> limited
| >> | to BBC broadcasts, whereas my web-page is actually all I want it to be. 
| >> I'd
| >> | be interested to hear from other list members who may be trying out 
| >> similar
| >> | methods of organising schedules of programs in this way, or others who 
| >> are
| >> | convinced that the Radio Player is the best method.  Sorry for going on 
| >> so
| >> | long folks.  Best wishes.  Andy
| >> |
| >> |
| >>
|

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