[access-uk] Re: Portset.

Hi Terry,

Interesting.

All the best

Steve 

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Terry Clasper
Sent: 03 December 2007 15:50
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.

Steve not accurate atually it is both!
In the UK it is a PC however in other parts of the world as a pen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:23 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.


> Hi Ari,
>
> Mercury is not a pen.  It is a full desktop computer, with a cut down
> version of Supernova.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of
> ari
> Sent: 03 December 2007 09:18
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>
> Hi Ray,
> Yes, I agree that constructive is the way, but, for me some of these
> adaptive technology company's prices are very high, in that, even some
> governments and organisations don't want to pay for all the blind people
> working there to have access to JAWS or other screen readers. At the
> university where I was, for example, although we were more than 2, we only
> had the 2 computers with JAWS, and I have met people on chat rooms who 
> have
> openly asked me, probably out of some sort of desperation, if I knew where
> to get jaws cracks, because the place where they were employed, one was 
> even
> managed by a government, they were using the fourty-minute JAWS, and this
> guy was a qualified person with a university degree, and in quite a good
> job. Lucky that free options are becoming available like NVDA, and what's
> good is this new cheap pen thing that Dolphin has brought out here, called
> the Mercury or something, but I still haven't seen it. I do realise that 
> the
> whole argument has the two parts, where the companies say they need to 
> make
> money, but for me $895 for a software program, plus everytime you pay for
> upgrades is very expensive, especially if you're lucky enough to find a 
> job
> in a country that doesn't have laws to help disabled people.
> Ari
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 5:39 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>
>
>> Arri, I don't want to be negative.  Being critical certainly isn't the
>> same as 'negative'.  What I want is constructive, not istructive
>> criticism.
>>
>> It is always bad to base discussions or politics around negatives and
>> anti stances alone.
>>
>> From Ray
>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> ari
>>
>> Yes Ray, it's really a pity there isn't just a list to which you could
>> subscribe which justs highlights all the negative things of AT and the
>> people in it, sort of having an absolute scream at the whole industry
>> in particularly. I love this list because the moderators are much more
>> relaxed then most of the dragons on the, dare I say this, American
>> lists, I suppose it's just their culture with the whole could-be-sued
>> thing, where do you draw the line at freedom of speech, some lists,
>> you try and criticise something you get a huge moderator thing
>> accusing you of some stupid thing called flaming, most of them are
>> unreasonable.
>> Ari
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:11 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>>
>>
>>> Think we can happily agree to disagree Wendy on the meanness, or
>>> otherwise of 'the blind'.
>>>
>>> Access Tech's affordability is something that greatly interests me
>> and
>>> often vexes me too.  Trouble is that neither this list, nor Vi-gen
>>> much likes the topic t=being raised at all;  some of the reasons
>>> aren't hard to see, but your comment of wonderment at people
>> affording
>>> it does want me to re-iterate the too often unstated fact that many
>>> blind people don't actually pay for it, at least those in work, and
>>> that is a big reason why prices are so high. Another is the
>> political
>>> realities we live under as, given the smallish market then strictly
>>> for profit organisations are going to charge whatever brings in the
>>> return they think is due to them.  Interesting discussions on this
>>> subject area can be read at Blind Confidential and Blind Access
>>> Journal, which are American bloggs, but sometimes our own Will
>> Pierce
>>> gets mentioned;  a bloke who seems to dwell in the intellectual
>>> stratasphere more than the bloggosphere!
>>>
>>> There are those earning a living and some a very respectable one at
>>> that, who aren't gunna have things change if they have anything to
>> do
>>> with it.  It's down to political economy really;  and that being so,
>>> no one is proposing slapping a levy or obligation on the big
>>> corporations to fund a proper budget for development,much less a
>> state
>>> subsidy for it.  You don't have to be a raving socialist or lefty
>>> either to see the sense of that solution; just out of step with
>> those
>>> who have a stranglehold on our lives.
>>>
>>> More interesting reading at:
>>>
>>> http://www.blindaccessjournal.com/
>>>
>>> http://blindconfidential.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> From Ray
>>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Wendy Sharpe
>>>
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> I think the price I paid was about right too.
>>>
>>> I do realise that not wanting to pay the licence fee is a bit mean,
>>> but TV sets are not cheap either, so I decided to go for the sound
>>> only bargain.
>>>
>>> I agree with you about the BBC, and what we would do without Radio 4
>> I
>>> don't
>>> know.  Years ago we used to pay a small radio licence fee, and I for
>>> one wouldn't mind forking out a bit to the BBC for the privilege of
>>> all their radio access, not just national, but regional and local
>>> too.  Since going online I have been able to enjoy listening to BBC
>>> radio when I have missed interesting programmes, and the work they do
>>> on their website is fantastic.
>>> I get loads of news and other information from them, and as far as I
>>> am concerned they are second to none.
>>>
>>> Your reference to the well-known stinginess of the blind is the only
>>> point where I would take issue with you.  I think it is often more a
>>> question of lack of funds than actually being stingy.  I was lucky
>>> enough to
>> have
>>> worked
>>> full time for over 40 years, so I managed to build up a bit of
>> company
>>> pension as well as the one from the state.  This means that if I
>> want
>>> to buy
>>> a new PC, talking product, etc, I don't have to worry about the cost
>>> half so much as I would if I had never found a job and had to live on
>>> benefits.
>>> Given the appalling statistics regarding employment of blind people,
>>> it's a wonder to me that products specially designed for us sell as
>>> well as they do.
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Ray's Home
>>> Sent: 02 December 2007 13:16
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>>>
>>> Wendy, and anyone interested, what you paid is more or less what I
>>> think it would be worth new if a large number of people were to buy
>>> into this sort of stand-alone piece of equipment, so good on you
>> that
>>> you found it at the right price.
>>>
>>> Afraid though that I've always been of the mind that what the Beeb
>>> does suits me admirably, though I know in this world of mass
>>> dumned-down culture - which the Beeb isn't slow to cater to - its a
>>> case of knowing the price but not the value of such a valuable asset
>>> as the Beeb is.  Unpopular I know, but given the mass hatred of the
>>> licence fee, and then couple that with the well known stinginess of
>>> the blind, and you have a sure formula for shreaks of can't pay,
>> won't
>>> pay!
>>>
>>> I'm oh so glad I've been able to enjoy a variety and quality that
>>> would be denied me if I'd been born almost anywhere else.  I could
>>> quite honestly see me going no TV at all if commercial offerings
>> were
>>> all that were on offer.
>>>
>>> A happy to be unpopular,
>>>
>>> From Ray
>>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Wendy Sharpe
>>>
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> I would certainly never have bought one at full price, and the only
>>> thing I lack is a DVD player, but I have now sussed out how to play
>>> DVD's on the PC using Power DVD.
>>>
>>> I have always thought that Portset's prices were way over the top.
>>> The
>>> media centre does also have the facility to record programmes, but
>>> there is no way to transfer recordings from its internal disk or
>>> whatever it uses to another hard drive, on the PC for example.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I was seriously thinking about giving up TV altogether when
>>> we finally switch over, as I refuse to have a TV and pay a licence
>>> for something I can't see.  I'm a mean person, I know, but there is
>> nobody
>>> else
>>> here who wants to watch telly.
>>>
>>> I got my media centre for £300, which I thought was a bargain, and
>> it
>>> is a
>>> very nice piece of kit, but the original price is far too high, and
>>> even with competition from anything else which can talk, Portset
>>> never
>> seem
>>> to
>>> drop their prices.
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Ray's Home
>>> Sent: 02 December 2007 12:51
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but I don't feel obliged to be overly-polite on this one.
>> The
>>> price ranging up to near a thousand quid has to be one of the
>> all-time
>>> rip-offs, even considering the realities of access tech.  I really
>>> don't know why anyone with a PC would even consider it, and that by
>>> definition, is pretty well everyone on a list such as this one.
>>>
>>> You can hardly blame the guy for wanting to hold on to the miche
>>> market he had with the original teletext reciever, but times have
>>> moved on since then, I'm glad to say.
>>>
>>> Still, as I've said to the original enquirer off-list, I can hardly
>>> criticise you if you really want to spend money in this way, but
>>> frankly, many wouldn't.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> From Ray
>>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Gordon Keen
>>>
>>>
>>> Strange, safari went straight to it and I've just browsed through
>> the
>>> models available.
>>> World wide weirdness!
>>> Cheers
>>> G
>>> From glorious Devon, England.
>>>
>>> On 2 Dec 2007, at 12:26, David W Wood wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Gordon - this link gives:
>>>>
>>>> This page is not available
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf Of Gordon Keen
>>>> Sent: 02 December 2007 12:16
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Cc: Gordon Keen
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>> For alternatives check out:
>>>> http://www.tvhelp.org.uk/audes/equipment.index.html
>>>> Hopefully competition will force down prices in the not too distant
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> G
>>>> From glorious Devon, England.
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Dec 2007, at 11:03, Jackie Cairns wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My only comment, and please feel free to jump on me if you want
>>>> folks (though not literally) (smile), is that it's a rip-off for
>>>> £620 or whatever it costs.  I know it speaks, but £620 for that?
>>>> Phew!
>>>>
>>>> I loved their Talking Teletext unit when I had mine, but that was
>>>> when there wasn't so much information available elsewhere.  Certain
>>>> Freeview boxes, while they don't provide speech navigation, do offer
>>>> Audio Description, and there are also lots of DAISY players on the
>>>> market to tap into.  I just think it's well OTT.
>>>>
>>>> Jackie
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: sue morgan <mailto:sue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 12:35 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Portset.
>>>>
>>>> Hi list.
>>>>
>>>> I've been reading about the Portset Accessible Freeview Receiver and
>>>> I'm quite interested in it.  I'm wondering if anyone
>> on
>>>> this
>>>> list has one, or knows anything about them.  I've listened to the
>>>> audio demo on the Portset website and it seems very accessible.
>>>>
>>>> Any feedback would be grate as I'd love to have an accessible
>>>> freeview receiver.
>>>>
>>>> Sue.
>>>> e-mail sue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> mobile 07968825286
>>>> msn sue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> skype suemorgan1006
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gordon Keen
>>>> gordonkeen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
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