But what I can't understand is, I know organisations like the RNIB of course have millions of more important things to consider, but why haven't they moved recreation on a bit? I mean, even the board games you can buy haven't been modified or anything new hasn't come along for ages. I'd love like a trivial persuit board game or something new, there used to be a braille Rubix cube but even that doesn't exist anymore. I agree with you Barry, I really wouldn't mind paying a bit for something propper with really cool sound effects and stuff. What I really wish could happen, obviously I know its just a dream, but especially for a football supporter like me is for European blind organisations to cooperate and bring out some massive football computer game with propper commentary, leagues and clubs. What's quite a good game in terms of sound and propper voices and done properly is at www.pininteractive.com Pricy but really worth it. Ari