Hi Steve, The 3650 is a moot point, since it is no longer available. All of the phones do have a camera now, except for the Nokia N-Gage QD. But the 3650's keys were perfectly OK to me, but the layout is kind of weird, until you get used to it. All the best -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steve Holmes Sent: 27 February 2005 21:30 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Owasys Mobile Phone. Steve How would you describe the keyboard of the 3650 are the keys very tiny to distinguish and, does this model have a camera or not. Of the phones which can use Talks, do they all have to be camera phones or are there any models without cameras which can run it. Steve