Yes I had a feeling I had tried it out Steve but could not remember why it did not work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
Hi Chris,That wouldn't work, because the mag of Supernova wouldn't follow the speech.That could get confusing. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Ofchris hallsworth Sent: Tuesday 11 May 2010 22:11 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes Suppose Eleanor that you could use NVDA, turn the speech off on SuperNova and just rely on the magnification. I can't see it causing major problems whatsoever, as NVDA doesn't install any drivers. Unfortunately I have used up my student allowance, so can't upgrade to JAWS pro with that. Sorry my friend. Chris Hallsworth E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 On 11/05/2010 22:06, Eleanor Burke wrote:That was in my opinion Chris, brilliant contribution. I had noted before that you were using NVDA and spoke so highly of it. I would be really interested in trying it out if there was a screen magnification that worked with it. I am surprised that you are unable to upgrade to Jaws Pro with the student allowance for equipment or perhaps you have used up your allowance. I am not wishing to enter into your personal situation, only am aware of a Disabled Student Allowance for equipment. I have been very disappointed that I cannot run Jaws and Supernova, on the one computer, no, I donot mean at once but only one wins out sadly which means that I have now chosen to go back to Supernova rather than Jaws and Magic. I have never given Window Eyes a go and again would be interested but have got so used to replying on magnification too, really want something that is as powerful as Supernova magnification to try alongside another speech screen reader. ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window EyesWow, what an interesting thread this is turning out to be Barry. Although I have got a JAWS license, I have only authorized it on my Netbook running Windows 7 Starter. I used to have a license on my laptop, which was running Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit, but have decided, thanks to my university, to upgrade to Professional, but not 64 bit. I decided to go back to 32 bit, only because some of my favourite applications, like Winamp, work better on this platform. The reason I thank university is because I got a rare offer; a free product key for Windows 7 Professional. I'm absolutely loving this edition of Windows 7. Features like Windows XP Mode and hosting Remote Desktop sessions grabbed it for me. As I hope to qualify as a professional technician during the summer holidays I felt this edition was more appropriate for me. Anyway, back to my screen readers. I am only authorized for JAWS Standard, and right now cannot afford to upgrade to JAWS Professional. That's no big deal for me. Over time I have learnt to acquaint with the free screen reader NVDA and a demo version of Window-Eyes, which I only use for testing purposes. As for JAWS, I did install JAWS 11 as a 40 minute demo, but as I loved NVDA and like Window-Eyes I decided to completely throw away JAWS and only use JAWS on my netbook. I use NVDA full time right now, and, despite it's free it's very stable, more so than JAWS. I will, however, still use JAWS, but only to log into somebody's machine through JAWS Tandem or use applications like Microsoft Access to which NVDA support hasn't been, and probably never will be, implemented. This I sure understand, but so long as I can get the work done with NVDA, like browsing the web, manage my mail, listen to and manage my media, I'm happy. Please ensure that I am in no way bashing the product. These are just my own personal experiences and right now it's all going well with few problems. In the future I may buy Window-Eyes through their lease to own program, but am not sure as of this time. The way things are going with NVDA to me will possibly replace the commercial offerings for individual consumers like myself. So might just stick with NVDA and only NVDA, and only use JAWS for the above. Have a good day. Chris Hallsworth E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 On 11/05/2010 12:16, Barry Toner wrote:Hi all, I started writing this late last night and ran out of steam. I posted it to the GWMICRO-INFO list under the thread of I've Something To Say. It's not the best piece I've ever written but I wanted to share my experiences with you all as a long-term JAWS user. Messege Starts " I can also chime in on this thread with a personal tale. I have been using Window Eyes on and off for around 6 years. I lost my sight in an accident when I was18 years old. I frustrated myself with Hal for about 2 years and then I found JAWS. Whilst it did not replace being able to use Windows with sight it was a breath of fresh air compared to Hal 4.2. Especially when it came to surfing the Internet. This would have been JAWS 3.7 I started with.I've watched the decline of JAWS over the years in terms of problems not being fixed, new ones being introduced and generally allot of half-bakedproduct development going through out onto the market. Not to mention as I see them very fluffy plug ins and the nightmare that has always existed JAWS licensing. Despite these failings I was not prepared to move outside of my comfort zone. Even at the time when my peers where doing so and I would have most benefited from their support and vice versa. In saying this I completed two Computer Science Degrees using JAWS. Though having learnt what I have in the past weeks things just as a fact would havebeen allot easier with Window Eyes. What's that old saying though? Aboutheinsight being twenty twenty. Just over three weeks back I decided I wanted to learn to use Window Eyes. I didn't' say too much to friends who would only think that we'd been there before. When they tried to get me to see the light, so to speak. I sat down and thought how best to approach Window Eyes this time.Something that would be different from previous half-hearted attempts togive the product a fair go. So, I decided I would use Window Eyes and no other screen reader for 1 full week. No matter what task I needed to do on the computer. I made a commitment despite my tasks priority to use Window Eyes. I was determined to learn how to do it with Window Eyes. This was allot harder than it may sound. Especially as I'm really not that much of a committed person when it comes to Window Eyes. Or rather I wasn't. So I unloaded JAWS and installed Win Eyes v7.11 onto my Windows 7 32Bit Desktop. I really needed to make this a genuine attempt. I decided to make it a social experiment instead of a hardcore, I'm going to do this and if I go back to JAWS I've failed. So I announced on my twitter and Face Book feeds what I was going to do. I then sent updates several times a day including @gwmicro in the thread of the good, bad and ugly. Let me tell you the language I through at the computer for the first three days was disgraceful! But when I learned how to use the Mouse Keys, started to read sections of the excellently layed out manual, joined this list and discovered Script Central I started to get a bit excited. One of my main frustrations was the amount of times v7.11 would do oddthings. By this I mean it would clip words in Outlook 2K7. Scripts wouldcrash, Window Eyes would crash if set to load upon log-in. I discovered that Window Eyes wasn't as infallible as the fan boys and girls made it out to be. Oh yes and I got a healthy taster that no doubt End_users I'vesupported as a Systems Engingeer have gotten from me a time or too. Thatof, "uh that's weird" "It doesnt' do it on my machine like that". This maybe true but it's not a helpful response! So for me it's not been an experience of "The most stable Screen Reader". JAWS for me still holds that trophy on my system. Well, it would if it was still installed. It's been over three weeks and I've not went back despite user error problems and bugs with Window Eyes. Now, it is fair to say that a new user of a product will often make mistakes through just not knowing. I'm not exceempt from this. However, there's allot going on in a person learning a new thing. Whither that is a computer program, folding lawndry etc. So why might you ask despite the problems I had and in some cases like theclipping words didn't' I just do the easy thing and switch back? Simple,I'd decided I'd rather put up with some problems that can either be worked round or ignored until they are either fixed or I'm told of something I'm not doing to get Window Eyes to do what I want. In doing so I get the wonderful functionality and fresh approach Window Eyes has given to my computing. This compared to the stale product that did, serve me well for a time but has frankly become a bit of a farse in comparison. I.E. JAWS. I used to believe that JAWS and Window Eyes both had their place. I believed this kept me nutral and made me unlike The Zellots, (as I saw them at the time), who sat in each camp throwing muck back and forth. I find myself looking on at other people in my life who are using JAWS andstruggling and want to cry out to them. Look, you dont' need to carry on with those bad habits you learned with JAWS. Tabbing all over the screenand not using keystrokes in say,and Installer Wizard of alt n for Next. It's incredible the amount of JAWS users who are not aware of how to use the JAWS Cursor. that's a real bug bear of mine now having used Window Eyes mouse Keys. the fact you need to completely switch to a different mode then back to the PC Cursor mode. no wonder people get confused! I could detail my own feelings on a lengthy list of JAWS short comings not to mention the iresponsable way Freedom Scientific treat customers. I'd only be preaching to the crowd and end up falling into the camp of "My ones bigger than yours". I'd like to think i can lead by example to people I know that use JAWS and I see struggling with the mindset it forces on people of the old and comfortable. By letting them see my completley fresh approach and no longerfear of trying something new just for fun. Sadly though I'm a geek and I believe most of my friends will discount what I'm doing as down to that. rather than, "I could be having that much fun and productivity as well".Trailing off a bit as I need to get out before the rain starts here!" 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